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For Those Who Feel too Ugly for Anyone

2020.10.10 21:37 Bunny_Hunny4 For Those Who Feel too Ugly for Anyone

I’m a pretty average looking woman, nothing particularly attractive about me - but, I also have scars. Scars on my body, scars on my face. Some from accidents, some from illness, some from my Skin Picking disorder (dermatillomania). These scars on my face are particularly unique (they disfigure my nose and lips) and right after being dumped, I felt too hideous for anyone to ever love me again. I still often feel that way. I’ve also been suffering with the worst case of hormonal acne I’ve ever known, so my self esteem was in the gutter.
If you’re body conscious, or disfigured, and losing your partner has knocked what little shred of confidence or comfort about your looks you had left, I urge you to look up Katie Piper. She was an acid attack and rape victim that became famous in the UK in 2008, especially because she was a model and tv presenter before the attack. Her whole identity revolved around her looks, it was what she believed made her special. Then she was viciously attacked by her boyfriend, and her beauty, the most important part of her life at the time, was ‘destroyed’.
Her first documentary is up for free on YouTube, and she has written several books, autobiographies about her experience and some self help books. Watching her documentary, reading her books and seeing how far she has come as a now loving wife and mother of two children, it is truly inspiring. Even if you don’t have disfigurements or body issues, give her books and documentary a go.
Seeing her go from rock bottom to everything she ever dreamed of and more has been the fuel keeping my fire alight, what forces me to get out of bed and make something of my day, and find self worth without my partner to comfort me. It took Katie a whole year to walk alone with her dog to a corner shop. It took her two years of wearing plastic masks, massage therapy, a feeding tube and literal hundreds of surgeries on her face, eyes, throat, nose, etc to heal. It took her three years to move out of her parents house and back to London with her own apartment as the head of the Katie Piper Foundation for burns victims, after which she met Simon Cowell, Rihanna, Chris Evans, and walked a red carpet. Around this time, she met her first boyfriend since the attack and was very happy with him for several years, before they mutually split as Katie’s career was taking off.
Right after Katie first saw her new face, a couple months after the attack, blind in one eye, extremely scarred and unable to swallow food due to the scarring in her throat, she was suicidal. She couldn’t imagine having any kind of life at all, and couldn’t imagine anyone ever wanting her as a girlfriend ever again. But 12 years later she is a force of nature with a spectacular family. Right now, you’re probably feeling like without your ex, you’re nothing. If you’re like me, you’re also really struggling to look in the mirror every day and not cry your eyes out, or not flinch every time you open up Instagram. But one day, you will wake up and realise how glad you are you pushed through all those crappy days, because it led you to a happiness you never dreamed possible. A happiness within yourself and with those closest to your heart.
So please, watch her documentary, read her books. I’m only 2 months into my breakup and only a couple weeks ago I was crying my heart out, wishing I was dead, thinking I would never ever love myself or be loved by someone ever again, cowering from my reflection, wincing when people looked at my face, and yet these last couple of days I have felt powerful. I have even felt beautiful in fleeting moments. You are on your journey just like Katie was on hers. It may take a long time, but if you believe in yourself and treat yourself kindly, if you’re brave, you’ll have big things ahead. I’m sure of it.
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2020.06.04 21:45 Objudge1399 Why Do Fans Love Toxic Relationships?

Before I start, let me just say that I’m not attacking anyone with this post. Also, please don’t be one of those people that says, “It’s just a fiction story at the end of the day.” Yeah, I know that but I’m bored as hell with nothing to do so why not type this on an online site that was literally made for discussing fiction?
Also, I’m not making this post to attack Ron and Hermione’s relationship either. That got old years ago. The point of this post is just to try to figure out why toxic relationships are so loved by fantasy novel and movie fans and I’m posting it here because Ron and Hermione are the main subject of my investigation.
Of course I could go with the multitude of other fantasy couples that are straight up bad for each other and completely toxic. There’s Ross and Rachel from “Friends” but that was mainly a comedy so a lot of the situations there could be attributed to trying to get laughs. Daenerys and Drogo were just awful. Then there’s the worst of them all, Sasuke and Sakura, which was horribly developed and makes about no sense at all. I chose Ron and Hermione to investigate, though, because they're the easiest to explain.
It‘s simple to see why Ron and Hermione would have a bad relationship. Does Hermione love Ron? Yes she loves him, not likes him, loves him. Does Ron love Hermione? Yes he loves her, not likes her, loves her. A lot of Romione stans get it misconstrued and think that people claim they don’t love each other. That’s far from it. It’s obvious that they love each other but just because they love each other doesn’t mean that their romantic relationship would work.
To compare it to a real life relationship, I would say it’s very similar to Rihanna and Chris Brown. Rihanna said that Chris Brown was the love of her life, but their personalities and flaws didn’t mesh well at all and that led to very bad results (with the help of alcohol). You can love someone and not be compatible, and that’s why a lot of relationships where the partners love each other still don’t work.
Many Romione stans find a way to defend just about every negative aspect of their relationship, especially the arguing. They claim that it’s good for Hermione to have someone that challenges her instead of always saying that she’s right and they say that they actually enjoy the arguments. Well that’s just straight up wrong. Sure someone as smart as Hermione may find it fun to be challenged once in a while (which she doesn’t) but not on every little thing and certainly not in extremely rude ways, like Ron is fond of using. Also, please stop saying that they enjoy arguing because they most certainly do not. Ron may like winding Hermione up sometimes but there is no evidence that they enjoy arguing besides one moment where Ron and Hermione look surprised when Harry interrupts them, which isn’t even real evidence because they were startled that Harry yelled, lol.
There is also Ron’s very large inferiority complex. Pairing him with someone as brilliant as Hermione is a match made in a not so good place. He’s already shown that he has the tendency to try to belittle others when they outshine him. A lasting and mostly happy romantic relationship with Hermione is very unlikely. That would probably be enough evidence but there also is his jealousy issues that have cropped up in a few places throughout the series. Then you have Hermione, who can be quite overbearing and Mrs. Weasley-ish sometimes. Their personalities and flaws clash way too much. Simply saying that “Ron and Hermione love each other and that is enough to overcome their issues” is a very naive attitude to have.
Now that I’ve explained that, it’s time to return to the main point of this post: Why do fans love toxic relationships? Well there’s multiple possible reasons for that that I’m going to go through.
The most obvious possible reason for that: They’re simply naive. That’s mostly younger fans, though, who don’t really understand how relationships work and just think that as long as two people like each other it’ll be happily ever after. That’s also part of the reason I stopped arguing about Romione online. I was in Instagram comments having a furious debate with this one user a few years ago, then I checked the profile and she was 9 years old. Not all fans are young, though. In fact, most fans of book/movie/TV shows like Game of Thrones and Harry Potter aren’t kids. (By kids I mean pre-teens and below). So what leads to adults spending their time arguing online defending fictional characters love lives?
Well there is also the possibility that they just don’t want to see their favorite character in a negative light. Admitting that a character’s romantic relationship is toxic means accepting the fact that that character is very flawed, and some people simply refuse to do that with their favorite characters. I’m not mad at them for that, nor do I blame them for that. It’s just funny when I see those same fans attack another fan’s favorite pairing because it’s a bit hypocritical. For example, I was on the HP amino and I saw the question “Which pairing is better Ron/Luna or Ron/Hermione.” I’m not a fan of either but I checked it out because I was interested. Imagine my surprise when I saw one of the people arguing for Romione saying that Luna was too stupid for Ron 😂😂😂. Hilariously ironic, but it also made me realize just how blind some people are to their own favorite character’s flaws.
For other fans, toxic relationships on screen or in books are actually therapeutic for them because of their own relationships and it makes them feel better about themselves. I, personally, have never been in a relationship that I would define as toxic but it makes sense that a person that is in a relationship like that would support a fantasy one similar to their own. That’s not a bad thing at all if it helps you feel better about your own problems.
Another reason could be that people like fantasy couples that are different. Couples that aren’t the cliche “Always in love, always joking around and always happy.” I definitely understand that. Cliche couples get old. What I don’t understand is why people try to act as if those on-screen couples wouldn’t have marital and relationship issues. I’m going to take a short break from Ron and Hermione for a moment and bring up Sasuke and Sakura from Naruto. Sasuke could do just about anything to her and Sakura, like the ultimate simp that she is, would let him. That leads to abusive marriages. Am I saying that Ron would do that to Hermione? Not even close. I doubt that Ron would ever do that and I’m pretty sure if Mrs. Weasley ever heard that he tried she would hang Ron by his ears above a giant, boiling pot of oil. But Sasuke is definitely someone who would do something like that, and there is on screen evidence to back it up. So if fans like couples that are different, but refuse to admit that they would have issues, does that really make much sense?
There are probably a multitude of other, more scientific reasons but these are just my guesses, I’m not sure which ones really have a lot of stuff behind them to back it up.
Once again, I only wrote this for fun because I’m extremely bored and I’m tired of watching animes and old basketball games 24/7. I didn’t make this to bash anyone’s OTP. If you like them, you like them there’s no reason for me to be pressed about it. Also, again, please don’t say “It’s just fiction, stop trying to make it realistic.” I mean, why not? I find it fun. Thanks for reading.
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2020.05.24 23:09 finnagains Unexpected Movie Masterpieces to Watch in Quarantine - by David Sims (The Atlantic) 10 April 2020

Some were blasted by critics, some flopped at the box office, and all are ripe to attain cult-classic status.
With new cinema releases grinding to a halt in response to the spread of the coronavirus, I’ve used these weeks of self-quarantine to cast an eye backward over the cinematic canon, to rewatch old favorites, and to fill in viewing gaps. Now I’ve begun evaluating films that, for whatever reason, didn’t get a fair shake when they were released. Some were blasted by critics, and others simply made no impression at the box office; all of them are available to watch online, just waiting to become cult classics. The 30 films I’ve chosen as the most underrated are all from the past 25 years, and many belong to genres (rom-com, sci-fi, thriller) that are overlooked in serious critical circles. Some of my selections might seem obvious and others ludicrous, but all were made in the spirit of enjoyable debate and discovery.
the Box-Office Flops
Kino Lorber Archipelago (2010, directed by Joanna Hogg)
Joanna Hogg broke out in American art houses last year with her wonderful autobiographical work The Souvenir, but she’s been making terrific indie films for years. Archipelago might be her best. A quiet drama, it sees Edward (played by Tom Hiddleston, a year before Thor catapulted him to fame) gathering with his family on the remote British island of Tresco after quitting his job to travel the world. Many long-simmering tensions boil to the surface; Hiddleston (who is in most of Hogg’s movies) gives one of his best screen performances, and Hogg depicts subtle, polite infighting with humor and insight. No filmmaker has a better handle on the ridiculous foibles of the English upper-middle class.
Watch it on: Vudu, Prime Babe: Pig in the City (1998, directed by George Miller)
George Miller is the master of sequels. Each of his installments in the Mad Max series is innovative; his Happy Feet Two is quietly underrated. But he’s never made a follow-up as strange and beguiling as Babe: Pig in the City. Miller wrote and produced the first Babe, a charming, Oscar-winning success. In the director’s chair for part two, though, he turned the sweet fable of a pig who wanted to herd sheep into a grim fairy tale about life in the big city. The movie was a commercial disaster, but it’s a rewarding, beautifully designed work set in a fantasy city that mashes up landmarks from every modern metropolis. The plot, such as it is, follows Babe as he goes on a trip and mixes it up with more streetwise animal brethren (the director Noah Baumbach once said that the film’s closest thematic companion is Stanley Kubrick’s Eyes Wide Shut).
Watch it on: Hulu, HBO Beyond the Lights (2014, directed by Gina Prince-Bythewood)
A gorgeous romantic drama about the pain and pleasure of pop stardom, Gina Prince-Bythewood’s remarkable Beyond the Lights made little impression at the box office on release, despite a star-making turn from Gugu Mbatha-Raw. The actor plays a Rihanna-esque figure named Noni Jean who falls for a police officer (Nate Parker) and tries to escape the limelight. Prince-Bythewood, who also wrote and directed the incredible Love & Basketball, is one of only a few people in Hollywood still trying to film genuine love stories, and she deserves many more chances to do so on the big screen.
Watch it on: Vudu, Prime Cadillac Records (2008, directed by Darnell Martin)
The smartest music biopic from a decade full of them (including 2004’s Ray and 2005’s Walk the Line, to name a couple), Darnell Martin’s portrayal of the rise and fall of Chess Records was woefully underseen in 2008. The film digs into the exploitative dynamics at work in so many early rock-and-roll labels, examining the troubled relationships between Leonard Chess (Adrien Brody) and his biggest stars: Muddy Waters (Jeffrey Wright), Etta James (Beyoncé Knowles), and Howlin’ Wolf (Eamonn Walker). The film has a harder edge than its contemporaries, and the musical performances are particularly sensational.
Watch it on: Crackle
Cloud Atlas (2012, directed by Lana Wachowski, Lilly Wachowski, and Tom Tykwer)
This is the most dizzyingly ambitious project in the Wachowski sisters’ expansive filmography. Adapting David Mitchell’s novel of the same name, Cloud Atlas encompasses six distinct stories, beginning with an 1849 naval adventure and zipping through the 1930s, the ’70s, and the present day before blasting to the clone-filled future of 2144 and ending in a postapocalyptic 2321. Members of the ensemble, including Tom Hanks, Halle Berry, Hugh Grant, and Doona Bae, play different characters in each story line, and the film jumps backward and forward through time to reveal surprising thematic links. As with many a Wachowski project, you have to make a few logical leaps to get on board, but if you can, there’s no movie experience like it.
Watch it on: Vudu, Prime
20th Century Fox Film Corp. Down With Love (2003, directed by Peyton Reed)
This knowing throwback to the “no-sex sex comedies” of the late ’50s and ’60s (like the Doris Day–starring Pillow Talk and Lover Come Back) was too clever for its own good on release. But it’s a fabulous, entertaining, and singular creation, both celebrating and subverting the innuendo-filled rom-coms of yesteryear. An impeccably styled Renée Zellweger and Ewan McGregor star as lifestyle writers who form a friendly rivalry in 1960s New York. Sarah Paulson and David Hyde Pierce round out the cast, and Peyton Reed (who had just directed Bring It On in 2000) plays off the visual language of his source material in stylish, innovative, and cheeky ways. When you watch, be sure to stick around for the fantastic musical number over the closing credits.
Watch it on: Vudu, Prime Dredd (2012, directed by Pete Travis)
Perhaps the best comic-book movie of the past decade was Dredd, a gritty adaptation of the Judge Dredd series that was a financial flop on release. Set in a dictatorial future in which armored policemen are empowered to dispense lethal justice for almost any crime, the film takes place entirely within a colossal tower block, following Dredd (Karl Urban) and a new trainee as they do battle with a sadistic mob boss (Lena Headey). It’s a gruesome but smart movie, at once lionizing and satirizing the ruthless efficiency of its hero. The film was written and produced by Alex Garland (Ex Machina, Annihilation), who has since become one of the most exciting sci-fi directors working today.
Watch it on: Vudu, Prime Killing Them Softly (2012, directed by Andrew Dominik)
Killing Them Softly is Andrew Dominik’s brutal follow-up to his painterly revisionist Western, The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford. Also starring Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly takes George V. Higgins’s hard-boiled ’70s crime novel Cogan’s Trade and updates it to the present day, following a mob robbery that goes wrong and the assassin (Pitt) hired to clean everything up. Dominik turns the web of competing criminal interests into a broad metaphor for the quagmire of the Iraq War. Killing Them Softly may have been too weird and slow for general audiences (it’s one of the few movies ever to earn an F on CinemaScore). But it’s bleakly funny and impressively acted by a cast that includes James Gandolfini, Ray Liotta, and Ben Mendelsohn.
Watch it on: Netflix Kiss Kiss Bang Bang (2005, directed by Shane Black)
The film that put Robert Downey Jr. back on the map was critically praised but ignored at the box office in 2005. An extremely metatextual crime comedy, it follows a thief (Downey Jr.) pretending to be an actor who gets mixed up in a murder and goes on the lam with his acting coach, a private investigator (Val Kilmer). The story line is as complicated as it sounds, but the thrill of Shane Black’s film lies in his hilariously punchy dialogue and his skill at making the most convoluted plotting flow with ease. The movie reintroduced Downey Jr. as a leading man after he’d spent years struggling with addiction: He was hired to play Iron Man mostly on the strength of this performance.
Watch it on: Vudu, Prime Premium Rush (2012, directed by David Koepp)
David Koepp’s bike-messenger thriller is far more robust than that description might suggest. Set on New York’s crowded streets, it follows Wilee (Joseph Gordon-Levitt), a deliveryman who picks up a package that’s tied to a criminal conspiracy; soon enough, he’s being chased around town by a crooked cop, Bobby Monday (Michael Shannon), who’s intent on taking him down. The story is told with unrelenting silliness, and Koepp translates Wilee’s brash confidence about weaving in and out of traffic into a visual roller-coaster ride. The highlight, though, is Shannon’s performance—he turns Monday into a living Looney Toon, gnashing his teeth and bulging out his eyes in fury with abandon.
Watch it on: Vudu, Prime Solaris (2002, directed by Steven Soderbergh)
Steven Soderbergh’s sci-fi opus was decried on release for daring to re-adapt a novel (by Stanisław Lem) that had already been turned into a film masterpiece (Andrei Tarkovsky’s sprawling 1972 work of the same name). But Soderbergh’s movie is a very different beast from Tarkovsky’s, stripping the story down to 99 minutes and focusing on the haunting romance at the center of the book. George Clooney plays Chris Kelvin, a psychologist haunted by the suicide of his wife, Rheya (Natascha McElhone). After hearing the mysterious distress signals sent out by a distant space station, he travels there—and finds Rheya, somehow re-created by the planet that the station is orbiting. The film includes stellar supporting performances by Viola Davis and Jeremy Davies, a beautifully understated score from Cliff Martinez, and some of the most compelling world-building in Soderbergh’s career.
Watch it on: Hulu
Sunshine (2007, directed by Danny Boyle)
This stunning space-mission drama from Danny Boyle and the screenwriter Alex Garland might be the Oscar-winning director’s best film. A wildly intense thriller about a last-gasp effort to restart the dying sun, Sunshine pits an outstanding cast (Cillian Murphy, Michelle Yeoh, Chris Evans, Rose Byrne, and more) against a monolithic enemy: the star at the center of our solar system, which Boyle depicts as an immovable, godlike force. As the voyagers’ ship gets closer to the sun, everything on board goes more and more haywire, and Boyle—who can depict the onset of madness better than almost anyone working—dials up the chaos.
Watch it on: Vudu, Prime Talk to Me (2007, directed By Kasi Lemmons)
Kasi Lemmons, whose most recent work is 2019’s Harriet, has long been one of Hollywood’s most criminally unheralded directors, and Talk to Me never got the wide audience it deserved in 2007. It’s a biopic of the controversial Washington, D.C., radio host Petey Greene (Don Cheadle) that’s unafraid to be messy, reflecting its subject’s surprising rise to fame as someone who fearlessly speaks his mind on the social and political issues of the 1970s. The film is grounded by excellent performances from Cheadle, Taraji P. Henson, and Chiwetel Ejiofor, who plays Greene’s put-upon manager, Dewey Hughes.
Watch it on: Hulu, Sling What If (2013, directed by Michael Dowse)
Also known as The F Word (its title was changed in America for obvious reasons), this extremely charming slow-burn rom-com was unfairly overlooked on release. It follows two people (Daniel Radcliffe and Zoe Kazan) who become friends but spend the entire time wondering if they’d be better off as lovers. Many relationship hijinks ensue, but the movie works because of the performances at its center, along with energetic supporting turns from Adam Driver and Mackenzie Davis, who were both on their way to bigger, franchise fame.
Watch it on: Prime The Yards (2000, directed by James Gray)
Back in 2000, James Gray’s operatic crime thriller was dumped unceremoniously into theaters by Harvey Weinstein and ignored by audiences. Like all the director’s films, though, it’s well worth viewing, combining hard-boiled storytelling with graceful visuals. Mark Wahlberg gives one of his best performances as Leo, an ex-con who returns to the fold of his shady New York family and gets tangled up in city corruption surrounding the subway system. A shifty Joaquin Phoenix plays Leo’s ne’er-do-well friend who is embroiled in a dramatic relationship with a young woman (Charlize Theron), while James Caan is suitably menacing as Leo’s morally dubious benefactor. The Yards also showed the first signs of Gray’s considerable talent; he’d go on to make We Own the Night, Two Lovers, The Lost City of Z, and Ad Astra.
Watch it on: Vudu, Prime the critical bombs
Warner Bros. Addicted to Love (1997, directed by Griffin DUnne)
All of Griffin Dunne’s films (including the delightfully bizarre Practical Magic) deserve more appreciation, but Addicted to Love is a personal favorite of mine, a largely forgotten romantic comedy that satirizes gooey Hollywood storytelling tropes. It casts Meg Ryan and Matthew Broderick, two stalwarts of the rom-com genre, as a bitter pair united by a hatred of their respective exes, who are now dating each other. Ryan and Broderick spy on their former partners and, of course, eventually fall for each other, but the film never sacrifices its acidic tone, even as their relationship turns tender.
Watch it on: Vudu, Prime Armageddon (1998, directed by Michael Bay)
If nothing else, Armageddon is a crucial cultural artifact: a portent of American culture’s jingoism in the 2000s, when blockbuster action sequences had the tone and tenor of Budweiser commercials. Where Michael Bay’s prior film, The Rock (which is much better regarded), had tapped into the U.S. military’s dysfunction and despondency post-Vietnam, Armageddon sees the country uniting to obliterate an evil asteroid by turning to … the oil industry. (It also spends a good chunk of time mocking post-Soviet Russia.) Despite the ridiculous plotting and Bay’s frenetic editing of every set piece, Armageddon is the clearest distillation of his macho brand of propaganda, designed to have audiences cheering by the end (against their better judgment). Listen to Ben Affleck’s gleeful commentary to triple the entertainment factor.
Watch it on: Hulu, HBO Blackhat (2015, directed by Michael Mann)
Five years ago, one of the great contemporary directors still working made a globe-trotting cyber thriller starring Thor himself and was completely ignored. Booed by critics and dumped by its studio into the doldrums of January, Blackhat made only a shocking $8 million at the domestic box office. Yet it’s a terrific entry in Michael Mann’s esteemed body of work (which includes other movies, such as Heat, Miami Vice, and Manhunter, that were underrated in their day). Chris Hemsworth plays a hard-bodied hacker who’s released from prison to battle a shadowy online terrorist; like many of Mann’s later films, Blackhat is a story of the analog world’s struggle to confront its digital future, wrapped up in a very masculine action saga. If you can, try to catch the director’s cut, which cleans up some of the film’s dense plotting and airs regularly on FX.
Watch it on: FX The Box (2009, directed by Richard Kelly)
This is the third film directed by Richard Kelly, a onetime wunderkind who burst onto the scene with the 2001 cult hit Donnie Darko. The Box is also his best, though few have recognized it as such. It was a bomb on release, getting poor reviews and the rare dishonor of an F from CinemaScore. But its wild ambition is second to none, spinning Richard Matheson’s mordant short story “Button, Button” into a paranoid 1970s epic—part domestic drama, part psychological horror, part sci-fi fantasy revolving around a NASA expedition to Mars and magic portals. This movie has short, simple scares that I’ve never forgotten, and a plot convoluted enough to obsess over forever. I live in hope of a fourth film from Kelly.
Watch it on: Vudu, Prime Constantine (2005, directed by Francis Lawrence)
Fifteen years after its release, this remains one of the best and cleverest comic-book adaptations ever made, and probably the most underrated entry in Keanu Reeves’s cinematic career. This is a horror thriller that dives into biblical fantasy, casting a varied ensemble (Tilda Swinton, Djimon Hounsou, Gavin Rossdale, and Shia LaBeouf) as various angels and demons doing battle in modern-day Los Angeles. Based on Alan Moore’s Vertigo comic Hellblazer, Constantine junks a lot of the established hallmarks of the character John Constantine (he’s supposed to be a witty Brit who looks like Sting), but that doesn’t matter. Reeves’s laconic style is a perfect fit for the cynical antihero, and Rachel Weisz thrives in twin roles as sisters on either side of an infernal crime that Constantine is called to investigate.
Watch it on: DC Universe The Counselor (2013, directed by Ridley Scott)
Of the seven films made by Ridley Scott in the past decade, none is more critically reviled than The Counselor, a knotty crime drama written by Cormac McCarthy and featuring an all-star ensemble that includes Brad Pitt, Javier Bardem, Michael Fassbender, Penélope Cruz, and Cameron Diaz. Summarizing its noir-ish plot, which revolves around the Juárez, Mexico, drug trade, is impossible, but the film is worth watching simply because there’s nothing like it. McCarthy’s florid dialogue and Scott’s hazy visuals are bewitching, and every actor gives an energetic performance pushed to ridiculous heights (one scene in particular, involving Diaz and a Ferrari, is hypnotically baffling). The Counselor is a dark acquired taste, but a deeply satisfying one.
Watch it on: Vudu, Prime Universal pictures The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift (2006, directed by Justin Lin)
After the success of the first Fast and the Furious movie, in 2001, Vin Diesel’s car-racing franchise struggled to stand out until 2009, when its original cast returned under Justin Lin’s direction for the surprise smash Fast & Furious. But the groundwork for that revitalization had been laid three years earlier with Tokyo Drift, Lin’s debut film in the series. Though Tokyo Drift introduces Sung Kang as the fan-favorite character Han, none of the series’s other beloved characters appears. Yet Lin’s skill with crisp action and quick-paced banter—built up in his fantastic breakthrough, Better Luck Tomorrow, which also starred Kang—makes this one of the best in the franchise.
Watch it on: Vudu, Prime Hulk (2003, directed by Ang Lee)
Coming off the resounding success of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Ang Lee could’ve made any film he wanted. He picked an adaptation of Marvel Comics’ most tortured star, the Hulk (Eric Bana). At the time, the movie was seen as odd, mocked for its wobbly CGI, and suffered one of the largest box-office drops in history for a blockbuster after its opening weekend. Viewed now, given the cookie-cutter format of contemporary superhero movies, it’s a startling experience. Lee turns his film into a living comic book, zooming in and out of boxy frames and inventing a visual language that could’ve become an exciting norm for the medium. The story, which sees the Hulk doing Freudian battle with his demonic father (Nick Nolte) and unearthing dark family secrets, is bizarre, and thrillingly so.
Watch it on: Starz In the Cut (2003, directed by Jane Campion)
Every film Jane Campion has directed since her Oscar-winning The Piano (1993) is underrated and underseen, but In the Cut was perhaps her biggest flop on release. That was partly because it subverted Meg Ryan’s usual bubbly onscreen persona, casting her as Frannie Avery, an introverted English teacher who starts dating the detective (Mark Ruffalo) investigating a murder case in her apartment building. It’s a sweaty, grisly, and sexually charged thriller that swerves from strange comedy to gory horror from scene to scene. But that tonal whiplash is one of Campion’s smartest storytelling tools, properly rattling viewers and plunging them into Frannie’s mixed-up headspace.
Watch it on: Crackle Jennifer’s Body (2009, directed by Karyn Kusama)
This is the movie that landed Karyn Kusama in “movie jail” for almost a decade: a gleefully bloody teen-horror comedy that was undone by the high expectations for its script. The writer, Diablo Cody, had won an Oscar the previous year for her Juno screenplay, and though this follow-up had that film’s humor, its intense gore and flippant humor were too much for critics at the time. Fortunately, Jennifer’s Body is already being reevaluated as a trashy classic, a nastier update of movies like Heathers that turns the social competition of high school into a literal bloodbath. Kusama has also reemerged as a filmmaker, with the excellent indie horror The Invitation.
Watch it on: Vudu, Prime Universal pictures Josie and the Pussycats (2001, directed by Harry Elfont and Deborah Kaplan)
This knowing revival of the Archie Comics series was a failure on release, but has deservedly attracted a cult following in the years since. It’s a pitch-perfect parody of the manufactured pop pipeline in the early 2000s, watching as the chipper rock band comprising Josie (Rachael Leigh Cook), Melody (Tara Reid), and Valerie (Rosario Dawson) is run through the major-label mill. Parker Posey and Alan Cumming play perfect corporate villains, and almost every scene is suffused with ostentatious subliminal advertising, with au courant brand names crowding the frame. It’s a bitingly clever work, with a great power-pop soundtrack that includes contributions from the late Adam Schlesinger.
Watch it on: Hulu with Cinemax, Xfinity Jupiter Ascending (2015, directed by Lana Wachowski and Lilly Wachowski)
In the 2010s, blockbuster studio filmmaking made a hard pivot to existing intellectual property for its biggest movies: Star Wars, comic books, anything audiences might have nostalgia for. The Wachowskis, as they often do, went their own route. After giving cinema one of its greatest franchises in 1999 with The Matrix, the duo took a different direction in 2015 with a loopily operatic sci-fi epic rooted in nothing but their own imaginations. They were pilloried by critics. Jupiter Ascending is a wonderfully absurd space fairy tale starring Channing Tatum as a dog-man, Eddie Redmayne as an immortal arch-capitalist villain, and Mila Kunis as a secret princess who unwittingly owns the property deeds to our solar system. If you can get on this movie’s wavelength, you’ll find much to enjoy in its many flights of fancy.
Watch it on: Netflix
Non-Stop (2014, directed by Jaume Collet-Serra)
Since the surprise success of Taken in 2008, Liam Neeson has played a broken-down man forced to take the law into his own hands in countless mid-budget action dramas: Unknown, Cold Pursuit, The Commuter, Run All Night, and many more. Non-Stop is easily the best of them, partly thanks to Jaume Collet-Serra, a Spanish director who is one of the finest purveyors of modern pulp cinema (along with many Neeson movies, his other credits include The Shallows and Orphan). Set entirely on an airplane flying from New York to London, Non-Stop follows an alcoholic air marshal who gets caught in a deadly battle when a terrorist starts texting him. Perfectly befitting its setting, this thriller has the plot of the best kind of airplane paperback, with just the right number of twists and turns.
Watch it on: Sling Ocean’s Twelve (2004, directed by Steven Soderbergh)
Despite coasting to box-office success, Ocean’s Twelve was disliked on release for swerving in the opposite direction from the über-cool Ocean’s Eleven. Critics dismissed it as overindulgent, pretentious, and ultimately pointless: The heist plot is nigh-impossible to understand, most of the crucial exposition is entirely absent, and there’s a subplot in which the character played by Julia Roberts pretends to be the real Julia Roberts. In hindsight, though, the film is a perfect deconstruction of sequel logic, showing the difficulty of finding new directions for a beloved cast of characters. Where Ocean’s Eleven was all smooth style, Ocean’s Twelve is a knowing subversion that lays bare the ridiculous fallacy of movie-star charm. It also happens to be very, very funny.
Watch it on: Vudu, Prime Pain & Gain (2013, directed by Michael Bay)
Practically every Bay film has been dismissed by reviewers on release, and often for good reason. His high-octane storytelling style makes the simplest scenes of dialogue utterly hyperactive, and most of his recent efforts are about talking robot toys. But Pain & Gain was a sly departure for this director, a low-budget (by his standards) crime comedy that feels like a Coen Brothers movie on growth hormones. Based on a true story, Pain & Gain is about three bodybuilders (played by Mark Wahlberg, Dwayne Johnson, and Anthony Mackie) who embark on a harebrained kidnapping scheme for easy money; naturally, things quickly go awry. Bay doesn’t abandon his trademark energy, but instead deploys it as satire—these characters might think they’re in a flashy action movie, but their circumstances are far more mundane and depressing.
Watch it on: Vudu, Prime
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2020.01.25 16:19 ThereIsNoSantaClaus /r/Popheads Album of the Decade #25: Frank Ocean - Blonde

artist: Frank Ocean
album: Blonde
listen: Spotify, Apple Music
August 20th, 2016. It’s a warm late summer Saturday afternoon. Many of us have been glued to our screens for weeks, hoping the moment will come. Finally, finally, Frank Ocean’s second proper studio album is on streaming services. No more rumors, no more waiting, no more misdirections, no more staircase building. The moment is here, we click play, and “Nikes” begins.
But before this moment, so much happened, a story that’s almost as interesting as the album itself.
tyler slept on my sofa, yeah
To those heathens unfamiliar with Frank Ocean, I gotchu. Born Christopher Breaux and raised in New Orleans, Frank moved to Los Angeles at age 19 to pursue a career as a musician. Before his breakthrough as a vocalist, he got work as a songwriter, getting credits on tracks by a prepubescent Justin Bieber (“Bigger”) and John Legend (“Quickly” featuring Brandy). Despite working with two current A-listers, Frank’s come-up would come through a group of edgy teenagers making goofy rap music. He became an early member of the unexpectedly influential Odd Future collective, and along with Tyler the Creator, Earl Sweatshirt, and Syd, would become one of its most prominent members. Frank’s debut mixtape, 2011’s Nostalgia, Ultra, would fully break him through as a solo artist, and by the end of the year he got to write a song for Beyoncé (“I Miss You”) and feature twice on the Kanye West/Jay-Z collab album Watch the Throne. Nostalgia, Ultra was recorded in defiance of a middling relationship with his label Def Jam, and saw him recording over the instrumentals of a variety of different songs, such as “Electric Feel” by MGMT, “Strawberry Swing” by Coldplay, and “Optimistic” by Radiohead. This would later get Frank into legal trouble, as the Eagles would take offense with his use of the “Hotel California” backing track on “American Wedding”, and threatened to sue Frank despite the song being on a free mixtape. The controversy would not stop Frank’s rising star, as he would continue to record music, both solo and with Odd Future, such as the fan-favorite Tyler collab “She”. But things were about to get a lot bigger, and a lot more… orange.
spending each day of the year
If you’re vaguely familiar with Frank Ocean or Blonde, you’re probably aware of the memetic status of the long wait for the album. While there’s been far bigger gaps between releases and other similarly complained-about hiatuses (just look at the replies to literally anything Rihanna posts), people were unbelievably hyped for whatever Frank was doing next. Why? Well, channel ORANGE. Frank’s highly anticipated and overwhelmingly acclaimed debut album was released in mid-summer 2012, a week earlier than its announced date to avoid a possible leak. It was an album everyone deserved to experience together, a perfect summation of everything that Frank had done to that point. People fell in love with Frank’s abstract, idiosyncratic lyrics and song structures, the warm production, and a great list of collaborators from his Odd Future partners Tyler and Earl Sweatshirt to Pharrell, Andre 3000, and John Mayer. Frank had treaded new ground all through his career to this point, but he was about to jump forward in a whole different way.
Right before the release of channel ORANGE, Frank posted a letter, originally intended for the liner notes of the album, on his Tumblr. It discussed his falling in love with a man who continued to influence Frank, firmly establishing him as being one of the first and most prominent openly LGBTQ+ artists in the hip hop industry. He recieved widespread support for his announcement from the wider music community, with the notable exception of Chris Brown, who jumped Frank outside a studio in early 2013. Brown, who punched Frank in the face and whose entourage called him a faggot, would attend the Grammys weeks later and refuse to stand with the crowd when Frank won the award for Best Urban Contemporary Album. Why is this part relevant? It isn’t really, but fuck Chris Brown.
we’ll let you guys prophesy
As early as February 2013, Frank was talking about his follow-up to channel ORANGE. In an interview with BBC’s Zane Lowe, he said he was “10, 11” songs into his next album, and was working with Pharrell, Tyler, and Danger Mouse. 2 months later, he would cite the Beatles, the Beach Boys, and Stevie Wonder (two of whom he would sample on the final album) as inspirations. In June, he would play several new songs at a rare live set in Munich, which included early versions of future Blonde cuts “Seigfried” and “Ivy”. This would be the last taste of anything new for a while, and the mystery of where Frank was and what he was working on increasingly grew as the years passed. In April 2014, he would post on Tumblr that the album was almost done, but seven more months would pass before anyone would be blessed with new Frank. Rather than an album announcement or new single, it was a lo-fi demo of a song that would not make the final album, “Memrise”. In January 2015, he would post a cover of the Isley Brothers’ “At Your Best (You Are Love)” as a tribute to Aaliyah, who had done a well-known cover of the song. 2015, however, would become infamous for something different.
The Post.
On April 6th, 2015, Frank posted on his Tumblr to finally announce the upcoming album alongside a curated magazine releasing in July. Through a misleading caption, the album would be regarded as Boys Don’t Cry up until the final release despite it being the name of the magazine. Hype would go into overdrive, and despite a lack of future announcements from Frank, fans would scavenge anything possible to find details. A picture of Frank on the set of a rumored music video leaked, and people would later find the song title “Nikes” in the director’s resume. This would later be (correctly) connected to a vague Chance the Rapper tweet from July, which he would actually post again closer to the final release. A mysterious empty playlist named states appeared on Frank’s SoundCloud in May, which caused a flurry of speculation for a while but ultimately led to absolutely nothing. Speaking of nothing, July 2015 would come and go, then August, then September, then 2015 itself. In late November, produceDJ A-Trak posted a tweet hinting at a mysterious upcoming song called “White Ferrari” releasing in several weeks. Frank fans jumped on it, with the evidence being: a) an old Tumblr post where you can see what looks like ‘rari’ written on a chalkboard next to Frank, and b) it’s the most Frank Ocean song title you can come up with. Again, this would turn out to be completely correct minus rumors that Playboi Carti was on the song.
2016 now. Frank would stay quiet for even longer, but fans would get a taste with a short feature on Kanye’s The Life of Pablo. Much of early 2016 was Frank occasionally emerging from the shadows, usually doing things that weren’t music like modeling for Calvin Klein. Finally, in July 2016, a self-deprecating post emerged on Frank’s website, acknowleding the many delays and announcing the album would be released in July. It wasn’t. As the final minutes of July ticked away and fans were losing all hope, suddenly, a mysterious livestream began on the website. It showed a black and white image of a warehouse. The New York Times reported the album and magazine would be out on August 5th. This was it. Or was it?
endless, timeless
People were so desperate for new Frank Ocean music that they watched him woodwork for weeks. Every so often, he would walk on camera and build… something. Clips of music would play, but they were often ambient loops or snippets of instrumentals. Well into the project, with the August 5th date having passed, there was a period of weeks with no new progress or appearances from Frank on the stream, leading impatient fans to search for the location of the warehouse. It would actually be found by Redditors as an event space in Brooklyn, but as the stream was pre-recorded, it wasn’t much help. Finally, on August 19th, Frank returned and finished the staircase, walking to the top and back down, completing the stream. Immediately after, a visual album called Endless dropped on Apple Music. Fans reacted with confusion and disappointment, believing that they had waited four years for something they could only play in one long sitting. However, there was a quick clarification that Endless was different from what people were still calling Boys Don’t Cry. The next morning, the “Nikes” video released on Apple Music, over a year after it was filmed. Things progressed incredibly quickly from there, as pop-up shops were announced for later that day, and it was discovered that copies of the long-teased magazine contained the even-longer-teased album. Fans wouldn’t have to wait for those to get online, however, as the album itself finally, FINALLY dropped on Apple Music at around 5:00 PM EST. That album is Blonde.
these bitches want nikes
It's pretty clear that Frank wanted "Nikes" to be everyone's introduction Blonde. It was released as a single/music video, the only one from the era, and it's also the first song on the album. "Nikes" is a bold choice for a lead single, a subversion of expectations for anyone coming in expecting a "Thinkin Bout You" or "Swim Good" type track. Over a melancholic, dark, almost ambient beat (and some of the only drums you'll hear on this album), Frank touches on a variety of topics, ranging from materialism to drugs to modern relationship dynamics to a shoutout to Trayvon Martin. Most notably, Frank's voice is pitched up for a majority of the song, almost building up the suspense on this long-awaited album for when the effect will drop. That moment comes almost exactly three minutes in, with Frank's natural voice coming through with the very self-aware line "we'll let you guys prophesy", which feels like a clear acknowledgement of the years of speculation leading to this moment. The final bridge of the album version (the alternate magazine version features a verse from Japanese rapper KOHH) is heartbreaking, describing a relationship where Frank's partner is making love with him despite them not being in love and the partner still not being over their previous relationship. Themes of relationship drama and love in the modern age permeate throughout the album, along with being regular songwriting topics of Frank's.
Of course, I can't discuss "Nikes" without talking about the video. Directed by Tyrone Lebon, a London based photographer and filmmaker, the music video features a barrage of different subjects, locations, and abstract imagery with occasional appearances from Frank and a cameo from A$AP Rocky. Lebon, himself an accomplished fashion photographer who has worked with Louis Vuitton, Calvin Klein, and, yes, Nike, creates these beautiful dreamlike scenes, some of which only appear for brief moments. There is a nude woman swimming in a glass tank of water, hazy scenes of people at a club party, a man on fire, the devil dancing, and at one point, a talking dog. Some shots in the video even reference other media, with the most obvious being this shot of a nude figure in a pile of money, which seems like an obvious analogue to the famous rose petal scene from American Beauty. However, more interesting to me is this shot, which references the infamous Heaven's Gate cult, who committed mass suicide in March 1997 in conjunction with the Hale-Bopp comet, which they believed would bring a spacecraft that would take their souls to another world. The cult members had covered their (TW: non-graphic photo of body) upper bodies with a shroud and worn identical pairs of Nike Decades, an image Frank and Lebon recreated for the video. Considering the songs critiques of materialism and wanting specific brands as a status symbol, you can definitely interpret the shot as a statement calling this type of behavior cult-like. The crushing weight of capitalism sends people in all sorts of weird directions in a search for deeper meaning, some find it in buying expensive shoes made by slave labor, some are exploited by the allure of cults like Heaven's Gate. Interestingly enough, the cult would find itself intertwined with the world of hip hop again two years later when Frank collaborator Lil Uzi Vert referenced them on the cover to his still-unreleased album Eternal Atake. Bizarrely, this lead to Uzi being threatened with legal action by the surviving members of a suicide cult.
we'll never be those kids again
I've touched on Frank's use of pitch-shifting on "Nikes", but it's far from limited to one song. As touched on in this amazing Left at London video, Frank has something of a reputation for playing with pitch alot in his music. On Blonde, the effect can be used to convey a variety of things, which differ based on which song you're listening to. To me, Frank's pitched up vocals on "Nikes" when mixed with the frustrations about materialism, status, and relationships in the lyrics convey a sense of alienation, his voice sounding almost inhuman. On "Ivy", Frank's voice is pitched up again, but noticeably less, with way more of his natural voice coming through. Considering the lyrics center around a long-dead relationship with an emphasis on how they were "kids", the pitch shift gives his voice more of a child-like tone. The dreamy production, with help from former Vampire Weekend membeproducer Rostam Batmanglij, creates a sense of wistful nostalgia mostly through reverb-heavy guitars and subdued synths. Even more pitch-shifting is used for the rap sections of "Nights" and "Futura Free", possibly conveying a sense of youthful arrogance in the latter, and for the chorus of "Self Control", sung by Austin Anderson, lead singer of underrated indie band Slow Hollows.
Quite possibly the only song on Blonde that wouldn't have sounded entirely out of place on channel ORANGE, "Pink + White" is also the album's most accessible track. Another longing love song with themes of mortality and nostalgia, it's still far from Top 40 radio, but the production from Pharrell Williams and a lush string arrangement from the legendary Jon Brion (who conducted my favorite film score, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind as well as having worked with Kanye West, Fiona Apple, Sky Ferreria, Mac Miller, and others) gives the song extra punch. Of course, you can't talk about the song without mentioning Beyoncé, who drops by for an uncredited vocal performance, harmonizing behind Frank. As far as flexes go, getting Beyoncé on your album just for background vocals is definitely up there, but considering how Bey was one of Frank's first major co-signs, it makes a lot of sense. The final minute of the song, where Bey's harmonies, the piano and drum based beat, and the strings all swell, is purely beautiful.
be yourself
Rosie Watson, the mother of one of Frank's close friends, makes her second appearance on a Frank Ocean album on the first interlude, "Be Yourself". Watson was known for leaving passionate speeches of advice to her son over the phone, and one of them was used for the channel ORANGE interlude "Not Just Money". That speech was about money, and this one is about drugs. Watson tells her son not to fall into peer pressure, to not try to be someone else, and to not take drugs unless its under doctor's supervision lest he become a "weed-head" who is "sluggish, lazy, stupid, and unconcerned". While her fears of addictive weed are probably based in daytime news fearmongering, the message of individuality resonates. Frank is well known for doing his own thing, from going off on his own to be a musician to being with Odd Future to being one of the only openly LGBTQ+ figures in hip hop and R&B to literally being on his own by self-releasing Blonde. Frank has definitely been himself, and he's all the better for it. The interlude also features a reoccurring motif of the album, the ambient track "Running Around" by producemusician Buddy Ross, who has since worked with artists like Vampire Weekend and Bon Iver. "Be Yourself", along with later interludes "Facebook Story" and "Good Guy" and the outro of "Futura Free", feature "Running Around" underscoring various figures sharing monologues that define their ideology. Is there a particular reason for using this song specifically? Maybe, but personally I just think it's because its a really great, relaxing ambient piece.
The album goes right from being yourself to being alone, two sides of a coin. "Solo" covers the fallout of a relationship, leading to Frank smoking weed by himself in the midst of the dark, empty world. The chorus invokes almost apocalyptic imagery, speaking of "hell on Earth" and "cities on fire". Drugs have become Frank's only shelter from the grim world, but unlike what Rosie Watson thinks, he's not taking them to be someone else. He knows things have ended, but can only escape with his mind altered. The lonely atmosphere of the song and biblical imagery of the chorus are both supported by a single (solo) organ being most of the song's backing instrumentation. James Blake, who played the organ and produced the track, is no stranger to minimalist atmospheres, having created many of them on his solo (ay!) music.
Continuing the minimalism of the previous track, "Skyline To" is a dreamscape of a song. There's a hazy guitar, subtle synths and buried drums (provided by Tyler, the Creator) along with sounds of nature, creating a relaxing vibe. Much like a dream, Frank's lyrics are stream of consciousness, ranging from the passage of time to weed to sex. Piercing adlibs underscore many of Frank's lines, mostly saying "smoke", "haze", and "blur". These adlibs were, for some reason, originally thought to be Kendrick Lamar, but this was later debunked when physical copies of Blonde were released with the official credits.
keep a place for me
One of the album's absolute high points and one of the most heartbreaking songs of the decade, "Self Control" describes the slow death of a relationship. The first half is mostly underscored by minimal guitars provided by Austin Anderson and (Sandy) Alex G, with Anderson dropping in both pitched and unpitched. However, midway through the song, it goes to a whole different level. A wordless, distorted vocal wail brings in a gorgeous string section, and Frank's vocals for the outro are beautifully layered, creating a For Emma-esque multi-track choir, which plays out the song in a way that's both quiet and intimate and grand and epic. It's a painful, dramatic end to a relationship that was once happy, and Frank knows that it will be over that night.
"Good Guy" feels like it comes from the direct aftermath of the breakup in "Self Control". Frank goes on a blind date set up through one of his friends to a gay bar, but comes away not feeling much. His date texts "nothing like you look", and talks "so much more" than Frank does. Most of all, Frank realizes that his date only sees it as a fun night, while Frank, profound as always, is hoping for a deeper connection. It's a simple interlude, with the only instrument being a keyboard, but it creates a sense of such distinct loneliness and disillusionment in the face of heartbreak that it's up there with the album's best songs.
every night fucks every day up
After the album dropped, "Nights" became an instant fan favorite. It's not hard to see why, with its melancholy tone, synth-heavy instrumental, and personal lyrics recapping Frank's life in Houston after Hurricane Katrina hit his hometown of New Orleans as well as relationship drama. The song feels more straightforward than others on the album, but then around the three minute mark things start changing up. Distorted guitar riffs drown out the synths, and get louder and louder before a beeping noise transitions into a ambient trap beat as Frank's voice gets more pitched up for a final rap verse and layered for the last chorus. The beat switch on "Nights" is almost memetically acclaimed, with my favorite being Big Quint's reaction. It's the kind of musical choice that really elevates a song, leading to its current reputation of being the favorite song of every depressed vibe guy who makes slowed + reverb versions of Frank, Tyler, and Lorde songs.
Before Blonde dropped, there was much speculation as to who would end up appearing on the album as a feature. Kanye West was floated often of course, along with Chance the Rapper (due to the "Nikes" tweet), Playboi Carti, Bon Iver, and others. However, once the album actually came out there wasn't much of anything you could call a feature. Beyoncé singing backing vocals on a song, Kim Burrell on another, some voices on interludes, Not!Kendrick Lamar on adlibs. However, the one clear actual feature on the album was one nobody could be disappointed by. On "Solo (Reprise)", the absolute legend Andre 3000 comes out of his cave long enough to drop an absolutely fire verse over mostly just piano and occasional off-kilter, experimental drums. It's not a long track, coming in barely over a minute and not featuring Frank himself, but Andre's dense lyrics about everything from police brutality to ghostwritten bars (something that many people took as a shot at Drake despite it being recorded before Drake's ghostwriting scandal broke) create an instantly memorable, fleeting experience that transitions into the next section of the album.
don't have much longer baby
While there are several songs on Blonde that show Frank going more "out there" than ever before, maybe the best example is "Pretty Sweet". Channeling the orchestral swells on The Beatles' "A Day in the Life", the song begins with an overwhelming, chaotic string section blasting. Frank is audible, but being drowned out by the noise around him, which gets louder and louder before dropping completely. The second section of the song has some reverb-heavy, layered vocals from Frank over neo-psychedelia/dream pop-esque guitars. Suddenly, for the final minute, a drum-and-bass beat drops, which Frank wordlessly harmonizes before giving way to a children's choir, who sing a short outro which name-drops the song's title. The lyrics to the song are abstract and vague, singing about parents, religion, fake friends, and mortality. According to Genius, "sweet" is a term from the south (where Frank grew up) meaning to call someone gay. It's an interesting read, and I honestly don't think you can fully exclude any interpretation of Frank's work.
Easily the most memed track when Blonde came out was "Facebook Story". The song isn't inherently funny, but it appears in the middle of a fairly dramatic stretch on the album and features a man with a thick accent talk about fighting with his girlfriend over Facebook. In the immediate panic of the album's release, the speaker was often incorrectly identified as Swedish cloud rapper Yung Lean (who was also incorrectly identified as a vocalist on "Self Control" and is officially listed as having vocals on "Godspeed"), but it's actually French house musician SebastiAn, who had worked with Frank on Endless. SebastiAn tells a story about having an argument with his then-girlfriend where she insists that he accept her on Facebook (or "Fazebuk" as he pronounces it). When SebastiAn refuses because she's in front of him and its unnecessary, she accuses him of cheating on her and breaks up with him. The interlude follows the pattern of the previous interludes, telling a wider story on modern culture. Rosie Watson tells her son to be himself and to not be someone he isn't, something that resonates heavy in our hypercapitalist modern culture, which emphasizes buying expensive status items and creating a Personal Brand to sell yourself. "Good Guy" takes things to modern relationships, which in Frank's view lead to more people just trying to find some fun for the night rather than deeper meaning. On "Facebook Story", a relationship is severed over not being "friends" on a social media app when you're in the same room. Much of modern culture is defined by our status symbols, and among them is the idea that a relationship isn't official until it hits social media.
Finishing a four-song run of shorter tracks in the album's second half ("Pretty Sweet" is the longest of these at 2 and a half minutes) is "Close to You". Frank, who had listed Stevie Wonder as an influence on his new music all the way back in 2013, now reworks a Stevie cover of the Burt Bacharach and Hal David song "Close to You". It's not an exact word-for-word cover, but the inspiration is clear and a short piece of Stevie's talkbox-filtered voice appears at the end. Frank's verse, delivered through a vocoder effect provided by indie pop musician Francis and the Lights, is about the aftermath of a rough breakup, fitting with the previous interlude. Religious imagery comes up again, with Frank saying he's "preaching to this choir, to this atheist" when it comes to talking to his ex. He's not devastated by their breakup (touching back to the dichotomy of the relationship on "Nikes" and "Self Control") but he's lonely ("Solo") and worried about getting older. It's become ingrained in us that our twenties are the time where we become an adult, find a partner, and settle down, which leads to people feeling pressured to stick with people they might not have otherwise. Nobody wants to die alone and unloved, and it's a genuine feeling of anxiety for many that once they hit 30, they're basically a senior. Things in Frank's relationship may have ended badly, and he misses them deeply, but he still has memories that the two of them shared, and nobody can take those memories away.
your dilated eyes watch the clouds float
You might remember the "White Ferrari" tweet I mentioned from DJ A-Trak, where he said the song would be heard in a matter of weeks and it would be the best thing we heard that year. While it was more like months, the second part is 100% true. "White Ferrari" is my favorite song on Blonde and one of my favorites of all time.
"White Ferrari" is the sound of driving into the early hours of the morning, letting your partner rest their head on your shoulder as you look up at the stars. It's an epic story of a relationship from his teen years, special, valuable, and pure (like a "white Ferrari"), a nod to the fleeting moments we have in this world and who we spend those moments with. The song is sonically intimate, mostly backed with ambient-esque synths and quiet acoustic guitars. There's a really cinematic quality to the instrumental to me, feeling like the soundtrack to a great indie film, and the presence of Jon Brion on the song hammers that home. Frank goes for it vocally on the track too, starting in his lower register, adding some beautiful vocal layering in the middle to create an amazing harmony effect, and ending in a quiet falsetto that could be mistaken for Justin Vernon (and it has). The final verse in particular is wonderfully abstract, with a series of wistful metaphors for wishing things had just been different. We wonders why couldn't they be older ("I'm sure we're taller in another dimension"), which feels like a poetic take on the sentiment from the Beach Boys' "Wouldn't It Be Nice". He just wishes they could go wherever they wanna go, go back to the basics and beginning of their relationship, when they were "primal and naked", a line that can be interpreted as invoking early human imagery or the passion that comes from the start of a sexual relationship. He just wants them to be go beyond their imagined walls, go to where the boundaries are limitless ("You dream of walls that hold us in prison / It's just a skull, least that's what they call it / And we're free to roam"). However, like in many songs throughout the album, there's a sense of depressing reality setting in. They spent so much time together, thought what they happened was special, one of a kind, and profound. However, things didn't work out like that, and now Frank is alone and trying to figure things out. It's a beautiful song, and interpolating The Beatles' "Here, There, and Everywhere" on the line "Spending each day of the year" definitely helps. In another interesting note, the release of the full credits for the album revealed that Kanye West co-wrote "White Ferrari". Kanye's exact contributions to the song aren't known, but I'm grateful for anyone who took part on creating this perfect song.
"Seigfried" might be the most abstract and poetic breakup song ever recorded. Frank, in typical Frank fashion, takes a song about the end of relationship and brings it to deep existential ideas, mortality, and religion. Frank is frustrated by the end of a relationship, and considers that he should give up and just try for the idealized nuclear family, living in the suburbs behind a white picket fence with a few kids. But he rejects that, and it leads him down a darker path, one of life, death, God, and humanity itself. Frank isn't normal, he isn't superficial and based in status symbols, he wants something deeper and more profound. He wishes he could see God in a way that someone else could, even just a glimpse of belief, but is disillusioned by religion, something that was heavily touched on in the channel ORANGE song "Bad Religion". Frank wants to be able to believe, but he can't help but think about the fragility of human existence. A solar flare could turn our society upside down or end it entirely in a moment, which makes searches for deeper meaning seem pointless. This throws back to the invoking of the Heaven's Gate imagery from the "Nikes" video. People search for deeper meaning or satisfaction out of life in all kinds of varying ways. In Frank's eyes, he'd rather enjoy himself with film photography and psychedelic drugs. In the end, however, things circle back to what matters in the moment, the death of a relationship. He'd do anything for his ex, anything to bring them back. The psychedelic, dream-poppy production of the song is absolutely gorgeous, layering filtered guitars and keys with a dramatic string arrangement from Radiohead's Jonny Greenwood, underscoring the deep existentialism of the song.
Because it's her favorite song on the album, I reached out to the amazing GoWestYoungKanye for a word on "Seigfried", and this is what she sent:
"‘Seigfried’ is my favourite song off all time — well, it’s tied for first with Nina Simone’s ‘Feeling Good’, at least. For three years, I listened to it every single night before I slept, at least once, finding it more and more spell-binding and resonant and splendid with each listen. (I’m an insomniac, things that put me to sleep are rare, and I tend to give ‘it put me to sleep’ as a compliment.)
For me, at least, ‘Seigfried’ is the rawest song on an album that drips blood; there is something so infinite and agonising about the way Frank sings ‘two kids and a swimming pool’, and calls out ‘brave!’, echoing himself uncertainly. Most people are familiar with the beat switch at the album’s midpoint, and have rightfully lauded it, but the second the strings come in under Frank as he croons ‘I’m livin’ over city / And taking in the homeless sometimes’, acting as the track’s pulse, a quickened heart rate, is easily one of the best few seconds on the album, even if the bassline is only temporary. It wounds me, and it heals me, in the same way ‘Feeling Good’ does.
Ultimately, I think the beauty of ‘Seigfried’ is in its honesty: an attempt at subversion fails; Frank is not brave; he’s a fool. He attempts to slot the minutiae of love (his lover’s freckles and his own crooked teeth [among other flaws]) into the hetero-nuclear ideal (two kids and a suburban house with a swimming pool) but comes up empty — as I listen, I find myself thinking of the word ‘emptiness’ constantly, and the track echoes in the empty space accordingly. Sometimes, it's good to be alone."
Thank you Kiki ❤️
"Godspeed" connects things back to the theme of religion. James Blake, who created a religious atmosphere on "Solo", is back in a more ambient take on gospel sounds. There's a prominent organ with some quiet electric pianos, digital strings, and an outro from gospel singer Kim Burrell. The first verse includes a direct Bible reference, tying into a Psalms 23 quote about always preparing a table in the presence of your enemies. Despite how Frank's relationship with his partner ended, he would still be there for them no matter what, and would offer them a place in his home. He wishes his ex godspeed on wherever they go in their future life, wanting them to live safely and happily even when they aren't together anymore. Frank's moving on, and with the knowledge that the relationship is over, still giving his best to his former partner.
how far is a light year?
This brings us to the final song on Blonde. While "Futura Free" is nine minutes long, it's split into a song and an extended outro interlude. Bringing things full circle by pitching his voice up for a majority of the song, Frank raps about his life, his upbringing, his fame, and the uncertainty of life. He references 2Pac and Selena, two stars who died young. He's living the life he wants to live, but not taking it for granted. He's grateful for all the success he's had, but still nostalgic for his life before the fame. It's stream of conscious, but Frank can make that sound profound. The production is kind of celebratory, but also kind of melancholic, capturing the uncertain feeling of the song perfectly. As one final way of tying everything together, at the near five minute mark, the song proper ends, and after a long silence, the interlude begins. Called "Interviews", it features a series of questions asked to Frank's brother Ryan, rappeproducedesigner Sage Elsesser (also known as Navy Blue), and others by skater and designer Mikey Alfred. It's a nostalgic piece, allowing the guys to goof around and answer questions about superpowers and secret talents. The final line of the album, spoken by Alfred, is "How far is a light year?". In the moment, it was innocuous, but as a way to play out Blonde, it takes on a deep, profound meaning. Frank has taken us on a journey, and that journey has ended for now, but there's so much more to go.
please run that back though
Blonde is one of the only albums I'd consider legitimately perfect. It's creative and unique, an album that people have since tried to recreate but not been able to. It's intimate, lush, and ambient, but also experimental and incredibly out there. The lyrics are heartbreaking and personal, but also existential and profound. There's a dichotomy to it, one that ties perfectly back to Frank's "two versions" he mentioned in the Post. Frank has seemed comfortable with taking his time on the next album, and considering how worth it Blonde was given the long wait, I have complete faith in him coming back and dropping another great album in the 2020s. No matter how long it takes. Thank you for reading.
discussion questions
  1. Where would you like to see Frank go on his next album? His future music has been previously described as "space reggae" and taking inspiration from “nightlife, Detroit, techno, house”.
  2. There are many ways to interpret the overarching concept of Blonde. If you can sum up what the album means in 10 words or less, how would you?
  3. Frank announced a release date for Blonde, missed it, and then went a full year before another update. Are artists entitled to keep fans updated of delays?
  4. Frank made headlines on Blonde by releasing it independently aside from an initial exclusivity deal with Apple Music. Could you see this being the dominating future strategy, or do the labels have too much power for it to ever really work?
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2019.11.12 21:26 o0fmeister The GOAT

Jahseh Dwayne Ricardo Onfroy (January 23, 1998 – June 18, 2018), known professionally as XXXTentacion[a] (/ˌɛksˌɛksˌɛksˌtɛntəˈsjɒn/),[10] was an American rapper, singer and songwriter. Although a controversial figure within the hip hop industry, Onfroy has been regarded to have left behind "a huge musical footprint" due to his impact on his young fanbase and his popularity during his short career.[11] The most notable aspects of his appearance were his tattoos and his distinctive half-colored hair, which was inspired by the One Hundred and One Dalmatians antagonist Cruella de Vil.[12]

XXXTentacion's mugshot in October 2016.
Jahseh Dwayne Ricardo Onfroy
January 23, 1998
Plantation, Florida, U.S.
DiedJune 18, 2018 (aged 20)
Deerfield Beach, Florida, U.S.
Cause of deathGunshot woundsResting placeGardens of Boca Raton Memorial Park Boca Raton, Florida[1]NationalityAmericanOther names
Triple X
Young Dagger Dick[2]
Partner(s)Geneva Ayala (2014–2017)[3] Jenesis Sanchez (2017–2018; his death)Children1[4]Parent(s)
Dwayne Onfroy (father)
Cleopatra Bernard (mother)
Musical careerGenres
Hip hop
punk rock[7]
heavy metal[8]
Years active2013–2018Labels
Bad Vibes Forever
Associated acts
Denzel Curry
Joey Bada$$
Members Only
PnB Rock
Ronny J
Ski Mask the Slump God
Travis Barker
Trippie Redd
YouTube informationChannel
Years active2015–presentGenre
Let's Play



Subscribers21.6 millionTotal views5.2 billion
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100,000 subscribers2017[9]1,000,000 subscribers2017[9]10,000,000 subscribers2018[9]Updated August 30,
Born in Plantation, Florida, Onfroy spent most of his childhood in Lauderhill. He began writing music after being released from a juvenile detention center[13] and started his music career on SoundCloud in 2013,[14] where he soon became a popular figure in SoundCloud rap, a trap scene that takes elements of lo-fi music and harsh 808s.[15][16][17] Onfroy rose to mainstream fame with the single "Look at Me" which is now certified Platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA).[18]
Onfroy's debut album, 17 (2017), debuted at number 2 on the US Billboard 200, receiving a mixed response from critics, some of which lauded the album for its personal narratives and diverse musical style. On August 15, 2018, the album was certified Platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America. His second album, ? (2018), debuted at number one on the Billboard 200, with its singles "Sad!", "Changes" and "Moonlight" all reaching the top 20 of the Billboard Hot 100, and the album was certified Platinum. In the week following his death, Onfroy's highest-charting single, "Sad!", went from 52nd to 1st on the Billboard Hot 100, making him the first artist to top the Hot 100 posthumously since The Notorious B.I.G., with "Mo Money Mo Problems", in 1997. A few months after his death, he won the Best New Hip Hop Artist at the BET Hip Hop Awards and won the Favourite Album-Soul/R&B for 17 at the American Music Awards.[19][20] Onfroy's third studio album, Skins, was posthumously released in December 2018.[21][22]
On June 18, 2018, Onfroy was fatally shot at the age of 20, in a robbery at a motorcycle dealership in Deerfield Beach, Florida.[23] The attackers fled the scene in an SUV after stealing a Louis Vuitton bag containing $50,000 from Onfroy; four suspects were arrested and are currently awaiting trial.[24] On June 18, 2019, one year on from Onfroy's death, an official documentary on his life was announced. It will feature footage of Onfroy from before his death telling biographical details. At the same time, Onfroy's estate announced a new posthumous album.[25]
Early life
Jahseh Dwayne Ricardo Onfroy was born on January 23, 1998, in Plantation, Florida, to Jamaican parents, Dwayne Ricardo Onfroy and Cleopatra Eretha Dreena Bernard.[26][27] XXXTentacion has stated he has Egyptian, Syrian, Indian and possibly Italian ancestry in an interview on The Beat in 2017.[28] He had three siblings with one being half, shared paternally.[29] XXXTentacion was mainly raised by his grandmother Collette Jones[30]—due to his mother's personal problems[31]—in Pompano Beach, Florida, and Lauderhill, Florida. When Onfroy was six years old, he tried to stab a man attempting to attack his mother[31] and was eventually put into a youth program before being forced[clarification needed] to live with his grandmother.[27]
XXXTentacion's interest in music initially started after his aunt persuaded him to begin attending school choir and later church choir. He was soon kicked out of the school choir after attacking another student.[10] XXXTentacion attended Margate Middle School[30] from which he was later expelled after a series of physical altercations. He was subsequently enrolled into Sheridan House Family Ministries by his mother for over six months.[10] XXXTentacion began to listen to nu-metal, hard rock and rap during his time at Sheridan House Family Ministries, which led to him to learn the piano and guitar.[31]
XXXTentacion attended Piper High School until he dropped out in the tenth grade.[32] He described himself as a "misfit" during that time, citing how quiet he was despite being popular and regularly involved in physical confrontations.[33] XXXTentacion was not the athletic type and said that he was insecure and depressed during his time in high school.[27]
Career beginnings and "Look at Me" (2013–16)
XXXTentacion's career as a music artist began in June 2013 after the release of his song "News/Flock".[14] While in juvenile detention for gun possession charges, he met Stokeley Clevon Goulbourne,[34] another artist known as Ski Mask the Slump God. During their time together, XXXTentacion and Goulbourne became good friends and began freestyling.[35] Recalling his time in detention, XXXTentacion said that he was respectful to the officers and staff and used to protect people from other inmates, including a homosexual cellmate, whom Onfroy later attacked for allegedly staring at him while he was changing clothes.[10][36]
That same year, following his release from a juvenile detention center, he and Goulbourne met up again under the belief they were going to commit a string of home invasions for monetary gain[37] though XXXTentacion eventually bought a Blue Snowball microphone and began recording music,[35] which convinced Stokeley to do the same. After Onfroy adopted the moniker XXXTentacion, he uploaded his first official song, called "Vice City", on SoundCloud.[38] Speaking on his decision to abandon a life of crime for music, Onfroy said that he felt like music was a better outlet for his feelings and then-girlfriend Geneva Ayala was someone who helped him realize that.[27] He would then continue uploading small snippets of his songs that he would either soon release or keep unreleased. Onfroy eventually joined Ski Mask the Slump God's group Very Rare, before breaking off and starting the Members Only collective, which Ski Mask then also joined.[13] The word "tentación" in his stage name is the Spanish word for "temptation".[39][40]
Onfroy released his first official extended play (EP), called The Fall, on November 21, 2014.[41] In 2015, Onfroy released a collaborative mixtape with Ski Mask the Slump God, Members Only Vol. 1, before releasing Members Only Vol. 2 with several members of the growing Members Only collective. On December 30, 2015, the original version of "Look at Me" was uploaded to the SoundCloud account of the song's co-producer, Rojas.[42]
On April 28, 2016, Onfroy released the EP Willy Wonka Was a Child Murderer,[43] with music heavily inspired by heavy metal and indie music. In 2016, Onfroy quit his job as a call center operator due to his growing music career[32] and moved in with rapper Denzel Curry.[44] In July 2016, Onfroy was arrested and charged with robbery and assault with a deadly weapon.[45][46] After posting $10,000 bail, Onfroy continued to work on his debut independent album, Bad Vibes Forever, which had a slated October 31, 2016, release date.[27] The album missed the release date and was delayed due to Onfroy being arrested in early October on charges of false imprisonment, witness tampering and aggravated battery of his pregnant girlfriend.[47]
Release from prison, Revenge, 17, and A Ghetto Christmas Carol (2017)
In 2017 "Look at Me" gained traction, peaked at number 34 on US Billboard Hot 100 and the top 40 of the Canadian Hot 100.[48] The single helped him gain more popularity due to accusations of Canadian rapper Drake using a similar rap flow in his song "KMT".[49][50] During his jail stint, Onfroy signed a deal to be managed by Soloman Sobande (who would remain his manager until his death) and despite Onfroy being in jail during "Look at Me"'s initial breakthrough, major-label scouts began offering six-figure contracts and Onfroy eventually signed for Empire Distribution for lower royalty rate, full creative control and a smaller upfront payment.[51][52]
After his release from prison on April 18, 2017, he released three more songs on SoundCloud.[53] In an interview with WMIB, Onfroy announced that he was working on the studio albums Bad Vibes and 17; as well as a mixtape, I Need Jesus.[54][55] In an interview three days after his release from prison, Onfroy said to XXL, "I got this really, really, really good album called 17. That's more of an alternative, R&B sound—then I've got this mixtape called I Need Jesus, which is mainly rap and the underground sound I did."[56]
Onfroy announced his first nationwide tour on April 28, 2017. The tour, titled "The Revenge Tour", had 26 tour dates overall and generated much media coverage, included that of a rapper being assaulted,[57] Onfroy being knocked out after an altercation on stage,[58] an audience member being stabbed,[59] Onfroy being thrown into a barricade by security,[60] and Onfroy punching a fan.[61] He announced the cancellation of the rest of the tour dates due to his cousin being shot on June 24, 2017,[62] though the final tour date in Broward County, Florida, still went ahead[63] and was later streamed on the watchthemusic (WAV) app.[64]
Onfroy was named as the tenth pick on XXL's "2017 Freshman Class".[65]
Onfroy released his debut solo mixtape, Revenge, on May 16, 2017. The mixtape consists of eight previously released songs.[66] The collaborative mixtape, Members Only, Vol. 3, with Members Only, was released on June 26, 2017.
Onfroy's first opener for a major act happened when DRAM brought Onfroy out at a concert on April 9, 2017 at the Staples Center in Los Angeles during Kendrick Lamar's DAMN. Tour.[67]
Onfroy released his debut album, 17, on August 25, 2017.[68] The album debuted at number 2 on the US Billboard 200, selling 86,000 album-equivalent units first week.[69] The album received a mixed response from critics, some of whom lauded the album for its personal narratives and diverse musical style.[70] On September 3, 2017, Onfroy announced that Bad Vibes Forever, his second album, was still in production.[71] 17 gave Onfroy's seven songs—"Jocelyn Flores", "Revenge", "Fuck Love", "Everybody Dies in Their Nightmares", "Depression & Obsession", "Save Me" and "Carry On"—that debuted in the Billboard Hot 100 at number 31, 77, 41, 54, 91, 94 and 95, respectively. Jocelyn Flores became Onfroy's highest-charting song since "Look at Me", which peaked it at 34.[72] Onfroy then had his ninth song to chart on the Billboard Hot 100, in turn with his being featured on Kodak Black's song "Roll in Peace", taken from Project Baby 2. The song debuted at 52 and peaked at 31, matching "Jocelyn Flores."[73]
On September 12, 2017, Onfroy released his first official music video for his 2015 song "Look at Me", as well as sharing a music video with his 2015 song "Riot".[74] The song generated controversy hours after being posted due to the video depicting a white child being hanged by Onfroy, as another black child observed. The music video was removed from YouTube months later.[75] Onfroy's label, Bad Vibes Forever, signed a distribution deal with Capitol Music Group subsidiary, Caroline, on October 19, 2017. The deal, reportedly worth $6 million, was for one album only.[76] Shortly afterwards on October 25, 2017, Onfroy announced he was terminating his contract with Caroline[77] despite a representative confirming he was still signed.[78] Two days later, he announced that he was retiring due to negativity and backlash[79] though some publications noted that Onfroy made similar statements before and not followed through.[80] On October 30, 2017, Onfroy announced that he would make music again if fellow Broward rapper and "former best friend," Ski Mask the Slump God, was his friend again.[81] Later, Onfroy answered a fan's question on Instagram Live about his retirement, saying, "Am I quitting? Yes, I'm quitting—I don't know for how long, but I'm just not going to make music right now."[82]
On September 21, 2017, Noah Cyrus released her single titled "Again", featuring Onfroy's vocals.[83]
Onfroy previewed new music on November 2, 2017, signaling a return to making music.[84] Onfroy announced a new album titled Bad Vibes Forever on November 17, 2017,[85] speaking on the album, Onfroy said "It will be a mix of genres you have seen me dabble with, if you are not a fan of me this is not an album for you, it is for core fans only".[86] The album title shares its name with his label.[87] On December 11, 2017, Onfroy released the A Ghetto Christmas Carol EP on SoundCloud.[88] A day before his hearing for witness tampering charges, Onfroy announced that he was preparing three albums to be ready for 2018,[89] and after being released on house arrest, he announced the titles of all three albums, Skins, Bad Vibes Forever and ?.[90]
YouTube channel and ? album (2018)
On June 22, 2015, Onfroy began to use his long-time YouTube channel "xxxtentacion" (now stylized in all caps), previously used to upload music, to upload gaming videos and vlogs.[91] The channel has 13 million subscribers and 2.6 billion total views as of October 2018.[92] On January 22, 2018, Onfroy announced on Instagram that he and New York rapper Joey Badass had been creating a project together[93] and the two released a freestyle to the song "King's Dead" on SoundCloud on March 9, 2018, in preparation for the collaboration.[94] The "xxxtentacion" YouTube channel uploaded the video "#THEHELPINGHANDCHALLENGE" on the same day. The video included Onfroy donating musical instruments, video game consoles, and other gifts to a foster home.[95] Shortly afterwards, Onfroy declared his album had finished and he was preparing to release it but would only do so after the hashtag #HELPINGHANDCHALLENGE reached one million mentions on Instagram.[96]
Onfroy released his first single of 2018 on February 2, titled "Shining Like the Northstar".[97] He was also featured on long-time collaborator and producer Ronny J's track "Banded Up".[98] Onfroy released the song "Hope" on his SoundCloud account on February 21, 2018, dedicated to the victims of the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting, which had occurred in Parkland, several miles north of Onfroy's native Plantation.[99] Onfroy announced that he was releasing two songs at midnight on March 2, 2018, both the first singles for his upcoming album ?.[100] The lead single for ?, "Sad!", was released several hours later[101] alongside "Changes", which features fellow 2017 XXL "Freshman" PnB Rock.[102] "Sad!" debuted at number 17, becoming his highest-charting song in the United States, and eventually peaked at number 1 after Onfroy's death before releasing its official music video on June 28.[103] "Moonlight" and "Hope" also charted after his death, peaking at number 13 and 70.
Onfroy announced the release date for his second studio album, ?, on March 12, 2018.[104] He shared the 18 track track-list with features from Joey Bada$$, Travis Barker and PnB Rock.[105] ? was released on March 16, 2018.[106] ? debuted at number one on the Billboard 200, becoming Onfroy's first number one in the country, losing out with his debut album 17 due to Lil Uzi Vert's Luv Is Rage 2.[107] Shortly following the release of ?, Onfroy signed a new album deal with Empire Distribution for his third solo album worth ten million dollars.[51]
Posthumous releases
On June 21, 2018, the first posthumous song featuring Onfroy was released, "Ghost Busters", with Trippie Redd featuring Quavo and Ski Mask the Slump God, and was uploaded on Trippie Redd's SoundCloud.[108] XXL released a series of freestyles that Onfroy performed as a part of his "2017 Freshman Cypher".[109] Ugly God released a song titled "Tear Drop" on June 22, 2018, which featured Onfroy's aforementioned unreleased cypher verses, as a tribute to Onfroy.[110] A few months later, he won the Best New Hip Hop Artist at the BET Hip Hop Awards and won the Favourite Album-Soul/R&B for 17 at the American Music Awards.[111][112]
On August 31, 2018, Houston rapper Sauce Walka released his Drip God mixtape which featured a collaboration with Onfroy titled "Voss" produced by Carnage.[113]
On August 17, 2018, iLoveMakonnen announced a collaboration between Lil Peep and Onfroy titled "Falling Down". A reworking of "Sunlight on Your Skin" made by Makonnen and Peep, the new version features verses by Onfroy that he recorded after Peep's death to pay tribute to Peep.[114] The single was officially released on September 19, 2018.[115]
On September 27, 2018, Kanye West announced Onfroy will be a featured artist on his ninth studio album, Yandhi.[116] The same day, it was reported that Onfroy will also be a featured artist on Lil Wayne's twelfth album, Tha Carter V, which was released the next day. Onfroy was featured on the song, "Don't Cry". A music video was later released on what would've been Onfroy’s 21st birthday.[117]
On October 22, 2018, Onfroy's manager Soloman Sobande stated in an interview with Billboard that Onfroy's third album would come "very soon" and that he had more than two album's worth of material.[52] On October 25, 2018, EDM DJ-producer Skrillex released the song "Arms Around You", which is a collaboration he made with Onfroy, Lil Pump, Maluma and Swae Lee.[118] The track was originally recorded in 2017 with Rio Santana, who appeared on Onfroy's ? album, but was later changed to add bigger star co-features.[119] Specifically, Lil Pump contacted Onfroy's mother to ask to use Onfroy's vocals on the track as a tribute.[120] Following the release of "Arms Around You", the song's producer, Mally Mall was interviewed by Power 106's The Cruz Show where he confirmed that nine Onfroy song's were going to be released soon with one having a Rihanna feature and another having a Weeknd feature.[121]
On November 8, 2018, the release date for Onfroy's first posthumous album and his third studio album, Skins, was announced as being given a December 7, 2018.[122] The first single from Skins, titled "Bad!", was released on November 9, 2018.[123] Onfroy is featured on Lil Wayne and Ty Dolla Sign's track "Scared of the Dark" from the soundtrack album Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse.
On January 23, 2019, the Members Only collective and Onfroy's estate released the album Members Only, Vol. 4.[124]
On June 12, 2019, Craig Xen released the song Run It Back! which featured Onfroy on the track.[125]
A month after on July 21, 2019, another posthumous song was released, titled "Royalty", which featured one of Bob Marley's children, Ky-Mani Marley, Stefflon Don, & Vybz Kartel. The dance-hall inspired[126] track was the first song released from the upcoming album, "Bad Vibes Forever, which is releasing in Fall, 2019.[127]
On October 21, 2019, the song "Hearteater" was officially released by Onfroy's estate.[128
Onfroy had two half siblings – an older sister named Ariana and a younger brother named Aiden.[129][130] Onfroy lived in Florida and lived with rapper Denzel Curry and producer Ronny J in the past.[44][30][131] Before his death, Onfroy was moving into a 6,000-square-foot (560 m2) mansion in Parkland, Florida, which he bought, in November 2017, for US$1.4 million.[132] In February 2018, Onfroy posted on Instagram that he was preparing to return to school[133] and went on to announce in March 2018 that he was going to a community college to get his GED.[134] Onfroy was public about his struggle with depression.[135][136][137]
Onfroy's ex-girlfriend Geneva Ayala has accused Onfroy of torturous abuse. According to Ayala's statement, Onfroy beat her at times, choked her, broke clothes hangers on her legs, threatened to chop off her hair or cut out her tongue, pressed knives or scissors to her face, and held her head under water in their bathroom while promising to drown her.[138] “His favorite thing was to just backhand my mouth,” Ayala says. “That always left welts inside my lips.”[139] The first incident of domestic violence occurred when Onfroy slapped Ayala and broke her iPhone 6S, because she had complimented a male friend on his new jewelry, Onfroy later repaired the phone.[140] In one incident recounted to a prosecutor, Ayala said Onfroy asked her which object she wanted him to force into her vagina: a long-handled barbecue fork, or a wire barbecue brush, she chose the fork and Onfroy told her to undress. Onfroy was lightly dragging the tool against her inner thigh when she passed out, he did not penetrate her with it.[141][140] Onfroy would often guilt her with near-attempts at suicide. Ayala said he used to fill a bathtub with water then fetch the microwave and dangle it over, threatening to let go. Another time he reportedly dangled himself from a 12th-storey balcony by his legs and threatened suicide again.[142]
Before his death, Onfroy entered a relationship with Jenesis Sanchez.[143] Three days after his death, Onfroy's mother announced on Instagram that Sanchez was pregnant with his child.[144] The baby was confirmed to be a boy on August 22, 2018,[145] and his family had confirmed that it was Onfroy's wishes to call his child "Gekyume" if it were a boy and Xiorra if it were a girl[146][147] after a word his father made up meaning "a different state or next universe of thought."[148] Gekyume Onfroy was born on January 26, 2019, three days after what would have been his father’s 21st birthday.[149]
Gun possession charges in 2014
In 2014, Onfroy was sent to a youth detention center for a year on gun possession charges.[13][10] According to Onfroy, during his time in detention, the district attorney was attempting to try him as an adult for gun possession. Charges which Onfroy said, would have had a sentence of 5–10 years in prison.[10]
Robbery, assault with a deadly weapon and home invasion charges in July 2016
In July 2016, he was arrested and charged with robbery, assault with a deadly weapon and home invasion.[45][46] According to the arrest report, Onfroy entered the home of Che Thomas with three other people, armed with a firearm. After pistol-whipping Thomas three times, Onfroy escaped the home with an iPad, an iPhone, a Sony PlayStation Portable and $20.[150] Onfroy was arrested in Orlando originally until he was transferred to Orange County.[27]
False imprisonment, witness tampering, and domestic abuse charges in October 2016
After posting the bail of $10,000[151] in early October of the same year, while awaiting trial, the rapper was arrested again later that month on charges of false imprisonment, witness tampering, and aggravated battery of a pregnant victim.[47][152] On March 26, 2017, Onfroy was released from jail on bail[56][153] while facing charges of robbery and assault with a deadly weapon. His trial for aggravated battery of a pregnant victim was originally going to take place in May 2017 and was pushed back several times, and was set to take place on October 5, 2017.[154] On September 8, 2017, Pitchfork leaked the testimony of the victim in Onfroy's aggravated battery case.[155] The trial was then delayed again[156] with a date of December 11, 2017, announced.[157] Controversy arose once again following Onfroy's choice to donate $100,000 to domestic violence prevention programs,[158] and then further when Onfroy announced an event to support rape victims though it was later canceled due to vandalism.[159]

Onfroy's mugshot in December 2017
Onfroy's trial was delayed again after an affidavit was filed asking for the charges to be "completely dropped".[160] The victim in the case also declined to testify in court. In reaction, the prosecution moved to split the case into two, with witness tampering charges filed against Onfroy and a new trial date announced for December 15, 2017.[161] On December 10, 2017, Onfroy posted a message to Instagram, writing "Court date is on the 15th 9:00 am here is my court information, if I am taken into custody, I want to tell everyone I've let down I apologize, I tried my best, I really did ...";[162] he then released the information of the court hearing.[163]
Onfroy pleaded not guilty on December 14, 2017, and was taken into pretrial custody after a motion was filed by the prosecution on the grounds of Onfroy having violated his bond.[164] He was held without bail.[165] It was confirmed on December 20, 2017, that Onfroy was being released on house arrest.[131] Onfroy was released from house arrest on March 21, 2018.[166]
Snapchat video controversy
Shortly after being released from house arrest, a Snapchat video surfaced of Onfroy hitting a woman in 2013.[167] Onfroy's attorneys claimed the video, which features a caption written by the woman that sardonically reads “I hate this nigga” along with Onfroy dancing to some music before striking the girl, was "obviously ... in jest".[168] Onfroy claimed afterwards that he was afraid he was going to be financially extorted by the woman and that members of her family had already called him requesting money.[169] The woman shown with Onfroy in the video came forward several days later saying she was "terrified for her life";[170] however, according to TMZ, Onfroy intended to sue the woman for fraud and defamation after her family allegedly demanded a large sum of money in exchange for her silence.[171] The woman later released a statement saying that the version of events described by Onfroy was correct, and that she "hope[d] that people see the video in the playful context in which it was recorded and nothing more".[172] His domestic abuse charges, which he was awaiting trial for, were dropped following his death.[173]
Leaked audio of confession to domestic abuse and a stabbing incident
On October 23, 2018, Pitchfork released secretly recorded audio of Onfroy talking with acquaintances around the time of his October 8, 2016, arrest. In the recording, he allegedly confessed to domestic abuse, and described an incident in which he stabbed nine people.[174] The tape was considered a confession by both the prosecution and defense.[174][175] One especially fraught conversation about Onfroy’s ex-girlfriend took place on the afternoon of October 26, 2016 when he told a woman, “I already got what I wanted, I already bashed her face—her face on the internet, bruh, I done made her look bad on the internet, bruh.” Later that day, an audio clip from the call was posted on Instagram of Onfroy saying he “bashed her face” without the hurried clarification.[176] On June 18, 2018, Onfroy was leaving the Riva Motorsports motorcycle dealership in Deerfield Beach, Florida, and, at 3:56 p.m., was blocked from exiting the car park by a black Dodge Journey SUV. Two armed men exited the SUV and approached the rapper while he was sitting in the driver's seat. A brief struggle occurred, and the armed men reached inside Onfroy's vehicle, stole a small Louis Vuitton bag containing $50,000, and shot Onfroy multiple times. The shooters fled the scene in their SUV and Onfroy was transported by paramedics to the nearby Broward Health North hospital in Deerfield Beach, where he was pronounced dead.[177][178] Onfroy's death was announced by the Broward County Sheriff's Office at exactly 5:30 p.m.[23][179] Suspect Dedrick Devonshay Williams of Pompano Beach was arrested two days after the shooting, shortly before 7 p.m. Held in the Broward County jail, he is charged with first degree murder without premeditation.[180] In the weeks following the event, three different people were arrested for their actions involved with the event, including trigger man Michael Boatwright.[181]
In his will, Onfroy named his mother Cleopatra and brother Aiden as the sole beneficiaries of his estate. Onfroy's future child, with whom his girlfriend at the time of his death was pregnant, was not named in the will as it was written before the pregnancy.[182]
An open casket service for Onfroy took place at the BB&T Center in Sunrise, Florida on June 27 where fans were allowed to pay their respects.[183][184] His private funeral took place on June 28 where rappers Lil Uzi Vert and Lil Yachty and singer Erykah Badu were among the attendees.[185] He was entombed in a mausoleum at Gardens of Boca Raton Memorial Park, Boca Raton, Florida.[1][186]
Well known for his "depressing, and at times devastating"[135] music that brought attention to mental health,[187] XXXTentacion employed styles and techniques that were unconventional in hip hop during his career, such as distortion[188] and heavy guitar-backed instrumentals drawing inspiration from third-wave emo.[189] This influenced fellow artists such as Lil Pump, Trippie Redd, Ski Mask the Slump God, Smokepurpp, Comethazine and 6ix9ine with the lo-fi mixing of his early career.[190] He was also credited with giving artists their first taste of fame and helping them with their careers through features and co-signs.[191][192][193] Onfroy left behind what Rolling Stone called "a huge musical footprint" due to his impact on his young fanbase and his popularity during his career.[194] Given his immense influence only to die young, the article compared his cultural impact with that of Ritchie Valens and Darby Crash.[194] The most notable aspects of XXXTentacion's appearance were his tattoos and his distinctive half-colored hair, which was inspired by The Hundred and One Dalmatians antagonist Cruella de Vil.[195]
On June 18, 2019, exactly one year on from Onfroy's death, an official documentary on his life was announced; it will feature footage of Onfroy from before his death telling biographical details.
Onfroy's success as "a zeitgeist-grabbing, industry-defying, boundary-destroying phenomenon" is "overshadowed" by his reported abuse of his ex-girlfriend, and the latter is the focus of his life story.[194] Nonetheless, the article[clarification needed] contends that despite media attempts to suppress him, Onfroy's "impact on music will be felt for years to come" and his recordings have "helped signal a new era of post-streaming, post-genre teenagers".[194] Onfroy's personal life and history are also noted as prominent parts of his legacy.[135][194][196][197] An article in The Guardian described his legacy in more critical terms, stating that "[h]e will be remembered mostly for the unusually cruel violence he committed on vulnerable people, particularly his ex-girlfriend, crimes for which he never expressed remorse."[135] According to the article, his music "reflected a life lived with disregard for humanity, both other people's and his own"; and rarely attempted to engage in bravado or bragging, instead focusing on "mental illness, suicide, extreme misogyny, and a prevailing feeling of numbness."[135]
An article in The Atlantic expressed similar criticisms, though it also noted that Onfroy "reminded young fans in particular that their hurt was valid but that it did not form the sum total of their lives" and that he "gave voice to their insecurities."[196] Contrasting these elements of his legacy, the article acknowledged that though he spent his career encouraging young fans to recognize their greater worth, Onfroy's legacy is nonetheless characterized by the trauma he both experienced and caused.[196] In The Washington Post, Chris Richards commented on Onfroy's complicated legacy, contrasting how he "encouraged his fans to find hope in the fog of their despair, but bragged enthusiastically about the joy he felt in brutalizing others."[197] According to Richards, Onfroy's music "brought solace to the depressed" while validating the sort of violence he practiced and legitimized the pain of his fans while erasing the suffering of domestic violence victims.[197] Onfroy's music serves as an example for Richards of how "a hateful song" might normalize such feelings in "hateful people," which contributes to the profound paranoia in society about the hatred that might be in the minds of others.[197]
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2019.04.28 04:54 d8uv Ultimate Song Tournament 1992-2007, or why “Under the Bridge” is the best song of the 90s and 00s.

I was curious as to what the best song of the 90s and 00s would be. To figure this out, I created a massive 256-song tournament, and ran through it with my partner antarris

Our Filled Bracket

What the hell is that thing up there

For each year in our tournament, I took the top 16 songs from Billboard’s Year-End Hot 100 chart (which measures a song’s overall popularity over the course of the year), and seeded them appropriately (so that the more popular songs have a slight advantage). Then, I took the output of the 16 years, and ran a tournament to find the best song of the 90s, the best song of the 00s, then pitted those two winners in the grand final.
Note: In the filled-out bracket, we were mostly in agreement. When we absolutely couldn’t agree, we had to split. Splits are denoted by slashes; the song on top is d8uv’s choice, and the song on bottom is antarris’s choice.

Notes from the tournament

1992—Winner: “Under The Bridge”

d8uv: Note: “Smells Like Teen Spirit”–you know, the song that changed the entire rock genre—only got up to 32. And yet, “Just Another Day”, a song that you have never heard of, was the 10th most popular song. What the hell was wrong with the people of 1992? antarris: Not everyone was an angsty white suburban teenager, you know.

1993—Winner: “Nuthin’ But A ‘G’ Thang”

antarris: I don’t even know who like a third of these people even are. “I Will Always Love You” nearly won my bracket.

1994—Winner: d8uv: “Whatta Man”, antarris: “Don’t Turn Around”

antarris: The Sign was the first album I ever owned. I sang “Don’t Turn Around” in the shower through my mid-twenties. Sorry-not-sorry. d8uv: This was the year of Ace of Base, and as much as I love my trashy eurodance, the sound hasn’t aged particularly well. antarris: I live for my trashy eurodance. Fight me.

1995—Winner: d8uv: “Waterfalls”, antarris: “Gangsta’s Paradise”

antarris: “Waterfalls” is just a touch behind for me, probably because my little sister played it incessantly. She was seven. d8uv: Antarris called “Gangsta’s Paradise” out as “the only rap song every white person knows”. This was meant as a compliment, but I know better.

1996—Winner: d8uv: “Tha Crossroads”, antarris: “C’mon N’ Ride It (The Train)”

d8uv: When pressed for comment, all antarris said was “... it’s a choo-choo train.” antarris: Pure fucking lyrical genius. “Tha Crossroads” is my second favorite, though. d8uv: Still, I found myself honestly surprised at how much I liked “Tha Crossroads”.

1997—Winner: “Wannabe”

d8uv: This—like 1994—was a surprisingly weak year. Every matchup other than the final was super easy, and even the final wasn’t that hard. antarris: “Semi-Charmed Life” was #17. It would have won my bracket. I probably should’ve bought it instead of recording the video off MTV.

1998—Winner: “How’s It Going To Be”

antarris: This year was also surprisingly weak. Lots of “this is my third favorite song from this artist.” d8uv: Elton John cheated with a mediocre song that made into two years of this tournament.

1999—Winner: “Livin’ la Vida Loca”

d8uv: This had the hardest matchup in the entire tournament. The seeding was unkind, and forced two songs that would have won the year if they didn’t have to clash. “No Scrubs” vs. “Livin’ la Vida Loca”. But, in the end, Ricky Martin just barely beat TLC. I’m still not sure if this was the right choice. antarris: If “No Scrubs” had won, it would have made it just as far as “Livin’ La Vida Loca” did. It’s that good. My mom thinks we made the wrong choice, though.

2000—Winner: “Smooth”

antarris: I honestly thought d8uv would fight me on this one. I remembered him saying he absolutely hated “Smooth”. d8uv: My dad only listens to Classic Rock. So, when Santana came out with new music, of course he had to Limewire it, and he loved those singles. I heard “Smooth” so many times my teeth fell right out of my head. Turns out, it’s actually a great song. Who knew?

2001—Winner: “Fallin’”

antarris: A garbage-ass year. I’m pretty sure I rounded third base listening to that Staind song, though. d8uv: I thought Dido would win, since I love that song and still play it. antarris: I think you mean “Stan”.

2002—Winner: “In The End”

d8uv: Hybrid Theory is the rare album that became better over time. antarris: Seriously. I hated this in 2002. Love it now.

2003—Winner: “Crazy in Love”

antarris: I had somehow never even heard “Crazy in Love” before. Wow. d8uv: This did not win because it was novel. Lord knows, these pop charts are filled with random songs that we’ve forgotten. Almost every single one was forgotten for a reason. antarris: To be fair, I think 2001 made me give up on pop music for like a decade.

2004—Winner: “Hey Ya!”

d8uv: Outkast was as popular as they deserve, for once. antarris: I was promised Enya. I got baby Adam Levine instead. What the actual fuck.

2005—Winner: “Gold Digger”

antarris: That’s not even the best song named “Shake It Off.” d8uv: Kanye can be very VERY good when he tries.

2006—Winner: “Crazy”

antarris: “Crazy” vs. “Ridin’” was hard for me. I’m still not sure if I made the right call. d8uv: Are you sure you weren’t thinking of the Weird Al version? antarris: Yes. Fuck off.

2007—Winner: “Umbrella”

d8uv: Here it is, the weakest year of the tournament. There’s like one, maybe two good songs in this list.

90s Grand Tournament—Winner: “Under The Bridge”

d8uv: This was harder than the individual years, because we love every single one of these songs. “Under The Bridge” vs. “Nuthin’ but A ‘G’ Thang” was particularly brutal for me. antarris: We started listening to high-quality versions of the songs here instead of just streaming YouTube. Coolio going over Ace of Base in my bracket surprised me.

00s Grand Tournament—Winner: “In The End”

antarris: “Umbrella” over “Crazy” and “Gold Digger”? Really? It’s like I don’t even know you! d8uv: Should I pack up and leave? Maybe head to the train station? antarris: I picked the song about choo-choo tr--oh, I see what you did there. Not cool. d8uv: This song was always great, it just took a few years for people to forget the stank of nu-metal.

The Grand Final—Winner: “Under The Bridge”

d8uv: They tried so hard, and got so far. But, in the end, it didn’t even matter. antarris: Afterwards, I looked up some of the history on “Under the Bridge”, and this makes sense. A funk-rock band wrote a song based on a poem and had it produced by Rick Rubin. It’s like catnip to both of us for completely different reasons. d8uv: The thing that clinched it for me was the realization that this song builds so beautifully. It’s dynamic in a way most pop songs are, but maintains being interesting even during the subdued opening. antarris: Yeah, I used an orgasm metaphor when I advocated for it. d8uv: Most of the songs on this list were pop songs that became art. This song felt like art that became a pop song. That’s pretentious to say, so just remember—I almost went with “Umbrella”.


I chose these years because I needed to cut 4 years to get 20 years down to 16. Because of this, I excluded the two lowest-revenue (according to the RIAA, adj. for inflation) years from the 90s (1990 and 1991), and the two lowest-revenue years for the 00s (2008 and 2009). It might have been better to include them, but I didn’t want to.
Because the Billboard year ends in November, if a song is released during the winter, it’s likely that it won’t show up as a smash hit for one year; instead, it will show up as a mediocre hit across two years. Some songs can pull off charting highly in consecutive years, but that’s really rare.
It’s important to remember the wise words of Binary Star: Everything that glitters ain’t gold, and every gold record don’t glitter—that’s for damn sure. The Hot 100 measures popularity, not cultural relevance or quality. A lot of very good, very important songs didn’t make the cut for this tournament, while a lot of long-forgotten dross did. Ultimately, I’m fine with this. Most of the fun of filling out the bracket was running into songs I don’t remember and going “What the fuck are YOU, song?”
For singles with an A-side and a B-Side (ex: “Follow You Down / Til I Hear It from You - Gin Blossoms”) I chose the first song. This is a little arbitrary, but a line has to be drawn somewhere.
Some additional caveats (because antarris is an academic pedant): this obviously has too small and homogenous a viewing audience to be objective truth. While both of us have pretty broad taste in music, there are some genres—mainstream country and slow R&B in particular—that neither of us is super into. This probably skews our results significantly, especially in the 90s bracket.
Also, a better way to determine our sample of songs would be to take a page from Good Mythical Morning’s cereal tournament and set up a poll for each year. However, getting a survey sample that’s representative of the population at large would be extremely challenging with an internet poll and, let’s face it, we’re not getting grant money for this shit.

If you disagree, you should fill out your own bracket:
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2018.11.12 03:12 yaboyanu SYTYCD Where Are They Now: Season 4

I sincerely hope people are enjoying these and not getting annoyed that I keep spamming the sub. Someone suggested I include then & now pics. That is a great idea but I think since I missed the first 3 seasons, it might make more sense to just do a big Imgur album of multiple seasons. If no one else does, one I might after I post the Season 5 updates. Season 4 premiered in 2008 and some of the cast had a 10 year reunion this year, which I found very cute. Plot twists this season include having a contestant finish with two different placements (completely messing up my formatting) and not filling the Ashle/Ashlee/Ashleigh/Ashley quota.
Edit: And since I really slacked on videos, please enjoy this behind the scenes video from the Season 4 finale reunion, featuring dancers from all 4 seasons.
Top 20
Rayven Armijo- She was kind of obviously cannon fodder on her season (little to no pre-live show airtime, forgettable week 1 choreo, and honestly she was probably just too mature for the show), so I really haven't given her a second thought until today but she actually seems pretty awesome. She got a B.S. in political science in 2009, then lived in China for 6 years while studying Chinese language and culture. She also founded a dance company whose work is based in Mexican folklore, Cuerva Urban Folklorico, which is what she mostly seems to be involved in at the moment. I think she graduated with an MFA in choreography this past year.
Jaime Bayard- Not too much information about him. Seems that he owned a dance school with his partner for a few years, but it has since closed. I did come across some really old videos of him and Lacey that was too good not to post. He has an Instagram where his bio is just "Single" lol but it was private so I didn't get much from there. I didn't really think it at the time, but looking I would say he and Rayven were probably eliminated way too soon.
Top 18
Susie Garcia- I remember thinking she seemed so wild and unfortunately this is my only real impression of her. After SYTYCD she performed with a ton of artists (Ne-Yo, Will Smith, Chris Brown, Kanye) and even toured with Shakira. She is now the artistic director of a dance studio in Miami and continues to choreograph for several Latin awards shows. I also want to point out that she has a BFA in Dance from New World School of the Arts/University of Florida, which she most likely got before going on SYTYCD but being in academia I like to give props where they're due as far as education goes. She uses a different last name on Instagram and there was a pic of her in a wedding dress, so presumably she is married? Either way she also has a 3-year-old son.
Marquis Cunningham- According to his bio, she has a few small indie film credits and was in Cirque du Soleil in Las Vegas shortly after SYTYCD. After that he joined Bad Boys of Dance in Rock the Ballet 2. More recently he toured Asia with Jolin Tsai and performed at the Grammys and at the Super Bowl with Lady Gaga. I think he currently teaches at Millennium Dance Complex Las Vegas while performing in the Donnie & Marie Show.
Top 16
Chelsea Traille- Seems like she travels a lot, but is based in Los Angeles working as a dancemodel/actress. Her IMBD credits include dancer in Parks & Rec, Burlesque, and Pop Star: Never Stop Never Stopping, but she has been in a number of music videos for Disney, Nickelodeon, and other artists including Lady Gaga and Toni Braxton.
Chris Jarosz- Poor guy was so forgettable on his season I accidentally put Thayne here at first. After SYTYCD, Chris returned to Southern Methodist University to finish his degree in dance and subsequently worked with Cirque du Soleil. He was chosen for several televised performances of Viva Elvis (SYTYCD, DWTS, The Bachelor). It looks like he's also taught some master classes here and there. In 2016 Chris appeared as a dancer in La-La Land and it looks like he had been touring with Wicked earlier this year.
Top 14
Kourtni Lind- What are the odds that one of Matt and Kourtni were specifically cast so the other could have a partner of similar height? Unfortunately I'm going to guess Matt because the judges were kind of dicks to him. So many SYTYCD people are involved with Hamilton. Kourtni is currently the dance supervisor of the US tour Prior to this she was in Broadway's Spiderman. In 2016 she moved from NY to Minnesota to study biology at St. Catherine University in St. Paul, but it looks like she left to take the job with Hamilton.. She got married 2015.
Matt Dorame- Post SYTYCD Matt toured with Cedar Lake Contemporary Ballet, performed with the Radio City Rockettes in The Christmas Spectacular and with iLuminate. He is now a teacher at Creative Arts Academy in Utah and is the co-director of their touring company. Personal life-wise, he is married and has twin baby boys.
Top 12
Comfort Fedoke/Jessica King*- Technically Jessica made Top 10 and Comfort was eliminated this week, but as we all know Jessica ended up withdrawing due to injury. Just so everything is tidy, I'll put Jessica here since this is the last week she performed. She is currently a fitness/cycling instructor in NYC, and prior to that she had worked with Cirque du Soleil in Las V-E-A-G-S. She also has a fitness clothing line.
Thayne Jasperson- Did people realize he was 27 on his season??? Thayne has been involved in several Broadway productions, including Newsies, Matilda, Finding Neverland, and currently Hamilton. In addition to being in the ensemble, he is an understudy for three roles, including King George III.
Top 10
Jessica King/Kherington Payne*- According to a fairly extensive Wikipedia entry that I would be surprised if she didn't curate herself, she was "briefly a member of the third line up of Pussycat Dolls" (wtf) and was a choregrapher on the YouTube show, Dance Showdown. She has a number of film credits, including Glee, Leading Ladies (the indie movie Benji was in), SNL, DWTS, The Dance Scene, and most notably as Alice in Fame. She recently moved to Jacksonville, Florida (home of Blake Bortles) with her boyfriend and whom she runs a not-so-popular YouTube blog with.
Gev Manoukian- Currently Gev is busy choreographing and teaching master classes at major studios and intensives as well as performing/teaching for Skate Dance Dream (a dance/skate show that offers classes). He also has a few TV credits, such as the AMAs and MTV's American Mall.
Top 8
Comfort Fedoke- She may not have won, but she was eliminated twice and honestly that might have been more noteworthy. Despite being and underdog contestant, her career has seemingly flourished since SYTYCD. She has a number of IMBD credits, including Glee, Footloose, The Mindy Project, Step Up 5, and later seasons of SYTYCD as an All-Star and choreographer, as well as worked with musical artists such as Florence + the Machine, Rihanna, LL Cool J, and Missy Elliott, and performed at the Super Bowl. Additionally she teaches master classes and is listed on faculty of several dance studios. She is also has a few songs out. It looks like she was recently nominated for an Emmy but I'm not sure for what, so if anyone knows feel free to chime in. If you are interested in more or buying one of her hats, she has a website.
Will Wingfield- I feel like Will wasn't really that popular even though he was one of the most talented contestants imo. I guess probably because he had kind of a quiet, thoughtful personality. Anyway after SYTYCD, he worked with Legion of Extraordinary Dancers (LXD) on their YouTube Series, was a dancer on House and in Rock of Ages, worked as an assistant to Mia Michaels, and appeared on SYTYCD as an All-Star. He also was a member of the Tony Award winning cast of The Heights and founded a series of dance workshops, IV REAL MVMNT, which seems to not exist as of 2014. There is not that much He is now married with a 3 year old son (apparently tWitch and the Ellen Show gifted his wife a bunch of baby stuff for her first Mother's Day and he was in tWitch's wedding party along with Josh, Comfort, and Courtney).
Top 6
Chelsie Hightower- Chelsie's most notable post-SYTYCD work was probably on DWTS, where she appeared on 7 seasons, placing as high as 4th with Ty Murray. She received an Emmy nomination for her work with Derek Hough. She also returned to SYTYCD as an All-Star and choreographer. She has also toured with fellow DWTS pros and performed on a few television network dance specials. More recently she has been appearing in Hallmark channel movies and on a Fox weekday program (The Place) in Utah and teaching with DanceElevated.
Mark Kanemura- Since SYTYCD, Mark has worked a ton with Lady Gaga and was her principal dancer for a while I think. Performances of note include the Super Bowl (I thought I saw him there but could be wrong), on SNL, and in a number of her music videos and awards shows. In addition to Lady Gaga, he has worked with artists such as Carrie Underwood, Katy Perry, Janet Jackson, Beyoncé, and most recently Carly Rae Jepsen. Mark appeared as an All-Star on multiple seasons of SYTYCD and has a surprisingly prolific Instagram. I think he also teaches some master classes and is mainly working as a professional dancechoreographer now.
4th Place
Courtney Galiano- Since the show, Courtney has racked a handful of television credits, including Glee, Camp Rock 2, Rock of Ages, Grease Lice, and more recently, Hit the Floor, as well as appearing on SYTYCD as an All-Star and choreographer. I think she also teaches some master classes and was working for a fitness studio as well. Shortly after SYTYCD, she was diagnosed with MS but it seems that she is doing well and continues to be involved in various MS foundations, including BEAT MS which she started. She was married in 2016 and is expecting a baby boy in March.
3rd Place
Katee Shean- Katee has danced for musical artists such as Jennifer Lopez, Kesha and Rihanna in music videos and on screen in various awards shows. She was also in Glee, New Girl, and Leading Ladies and appeared as an All-Star on SYTYCD. She also has a number of additional IMBD credits for things I've never heard of and teaches master classes throughout the U.S. and Canada.
Stephen tWitch Boss- tWitch is probably the most visible contestant from this season, gaining mainstream popularity as a DJ on The Ellen Show. His IMBD credits include Love (!!! I was freaking out), Magic Mike, Modern Family, Step Up, Young & Hungry, to name a few. He has also appeared on subsequent seasons of SYTYCD as an All-Star and more recently as the sole voice of reason a judge. He also continues to choreograph and teach master classes. He married Season 2's Allison Holker in 2013 and they have a daughter and a 2-year-old son.
Josh Allen- After SYTYCD, Josh appeared as a featured dancer in Step Up 3D (part of his prize) and appeared in Dance Your Ass Off, Footloose, Community, American Horror Story, Dance Moms, on SYTYCD as an All-Star, and various commercials. He In 2016, was sentenced to one year in jail for felony assault of his girlfriend and assault with a deadly weapon (glass vase) after he had previously been charged with multiple misdemeanor domestic violence counts. Allegedly, he tried to strangle his estranged girlfriend and reportedly chased her into a coffee shop and ended up throwing the glass vase at someone. Really disappointing. Recently, he continues to choreograph and teach master classes.
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2018.11.04 12:18 churnychurny Cry for Help. On Verge of Insanity.

Feeling on the verse of fundamentalism and couldn't feel more insane.
Lately I've been in a perpetual state of anxiety to the point of losing 4 pounds a week, vertigo, not being able to sleep, or eat, or function, or get intimate with my partner all because of a rabbit hole I went down to.
I grew up in a non-religious family, always considered myself an atheist, have read the bible and some into historicity around it. One of my past friends used to believe in a satanic conspiracy, but I just wrote it off saying I'm not interested.
The last couple weeks, I decided to take my skepticism to the test in something that I couldn't quite figure out and put it away once and for all. So, I went down the satanic illuminati rabbit hole and feel like I've lost my sanity. I've read every entry on every skeptical website on illuminati I could find, so whatever most of you will have to say, I probably heard it. Please bear with me. Specifically, what makes it tick for me is the videos and posts of celebrities talking about satan, selling souls to the devil, and various "symbolism" tucked away in music videos. And indeed, videos like Chris Brown's "With You" do have a clearly visible 666 in it. Oddly, the original 616 counterpart is never used. Numerous others have the infamous eye of providence in them or related occult symbolism. Heck, Brown's clothing line is all about it, as well as his tattoos which you can see on instagram. Rihanna's S&M really does have a background where it says "Princess of Illuminati" in it. On top of that, her weird tweets like "Fuck off Satan" with no further context and related. And that's just a fraction, I only used two of the examples. Now, I know all this sounds completely preposterous, but I can't write it all off as coincidence.
On one hand, I'm aware of the historicity of hell and satan and how those ideas were gradually developed through contact with other cultures during intertestamental period, and I can't just discard that. On the other hand, somebody had to put or edit that imagery in, and for what? Taking a piss? What's with all the neurotic tweets and instagrams about devil and such? What's with all the industry "insiders" coming "clean" about it? Now, I know none of this really proves anything supernatural, but it's not letting me be.
I want to consider myself a rational person, yet an implication of something going on behind the scenes is making me lose my mind. If there really is the demonic in physical form that's influencing the media, no amount of rationalisation or skepticism is going to make it go away. A rational part of me wants to write it off as just that, imagery, and move on. Yet the implication of the reverse is driving me crazy to the point of thinking things like, "if the devil exists in it's new testament form then the rest of it also exists in the most literal sense," and that's driving me insane. I feel like I'm losing my grasp on reality and my mind.
I try to pretend that I'm fine, but it's ruining my relationship with everything and everyone. I picture myself as a proselytizing end-of-days sex-is-sin christian and it makes me want to vomit. I'm literally paralyzed in my life. The only reprieve I get is sleep and that's temporary because I still have to face the day with those paranoid thoughts. The "believer" side telling you to accept it for what it is, and the "skeptic" side writing off all the symbolism as accidental doesn't jive at all. For example, thoughts like, "How does a "line 666" on a bus in "With You" end up on accident?"
I feel like I really need to hear some rational perspective on this because I might not be seeing it for what it is due to some unhealthy obsession.
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2018.08.12 21:54 iminterestingplease Part 36

Slowing down a little bit. Sorry again.
6160.(Music Lyrics change.)"Beaten what for? (What for?)"/"Beaten why for? (Why for?)"(Do any of their logos look off?)
Add-On: Do you remember these celebrities being much different?(Kristen Stewart, Miley Cyrus, Katy Perry, David Letterman, and Jim Carrey?)(Video below.)(N-Sync/*NSYNC)(Was there name spelled differently?)(Do any of their logos look off?)(Tons of pink, and green phenomenon going on in videos, and other stuff.)(New Michael Jackson concert, and video with Reggie Miller, Macaulay Culkin, Elizabeth Taylor, and Liza Minnelli, and moonwalking wasn't invented by him, and it goes back much farther, and break dancing goes back much farther, and he no longer always wears the glove on his left hand.)(Grandma's Cookies taste much different.)(Do you remember Led Zeplin, or Led Zepelin?)(Kurt Russel/Kurt Russell)(Other spellings?)(King Tut tomb keeps changing.)(Lots of different ways people remember Krispy Kreme being spelled.)(Cats, and dolphins playing together.)(Does Cher look different than before?)(Cats with very baby blue eyes.)(Very large turtles showing up on beaches.)(Some scenes in Passengers have changed.)(Freelance & Programming Tips And Tricks/Freelance & Programming Tipx And Trix)(As in the Facebook group.)(Is the whole thing with Program vs. Programme, and everything similar to it in terms of spelling off?)(Lots of Scott Harrison, mandela quantum effects, and Mandela Affected videos being affected by the green, and pink.)(New weird episodes of The Twilight Zone popping up.)(Does the Supergirl logo look off?)(The lungs go farther up.)(Cat with human-like face.)(Modernized font in Hi-Chew commercial.)(The Mike Tyson fight where he bit the ear now continues afterward.)(Person calls neighbor wrong name for 14 years, and other weird conversations.)(Jorts, and jhorts are now words.)(The trans fat ban has just started happening.)(Grey, and black Dunkin' Donuts sign.)(Sayed/Sayd/Said)(Do you remember Orange being pronounced different?)(Do you remember Mirror being pronounced different?)(Do you remember Crayon being pronounced different?)(Guage/Gauge, and pronunciation is off.)(Does the Greatist(Greatest?)website logo look off?)(All depictions of cartoon owls with yellow eyes.)(Does the Jot logo look off?)(Does the Brain Quest logo look off?)(Is anything about the US, Canada, or world population off?)(Does the Scottish rampart look off?)(Patronise/Patronize)(Was Grover from Sesame Street not originally brown?)(Does the Moonwalkers(The Moonwalkers?)logo look off?)(Were words like Moonwalk actual words?)(Does The Legend Of Sasquatch(Sasquach?)logo look off?)(Messing With Sasquatch/Messin' With Sasquatch)(Was there not multiple ways to spell Sasquatch, or was it spelled differently?)(Is the movie Se7en(Seven?)off in any way?)(Was it Deaf, Death, or Def Leppard, or Leppard?)(Is the movie Friday off?)(Connor McGregoConor McGregor)(Lots of Dollar Tree exclusive products, and signs they make have modernized fonts, and off, and connected letters.)(The Dream/The-Dream, and do any of his logos look off?)("There's nothing left to say."/"There's nothing I can say.")(Was it always the same as the first time?)(Ing to In' lyrics.)(Anything else off?)(Have you heard of Lake Ladoga?)(Jean Michael Jarre/Jean Michel Jarre)(Lots of people call Dollar Tree "Dollar Store", or, "The Dollar Store".)(Lollypop/Lollipop)(Lots of dead celebrities come back to life.)(Lots of celebrity birthdays change.)(Mike Willis/Mike Wills)(Was the plural of Pop Pop, and not Pops?)(Snyder's/Snyder's Of Hanover)(Flip Flop/Flip-Flop)(Does the Color Eazy logo look off?)(Was the Lay's slogan something different than I mentioned?)((Expanse/The Expanse)(Happy Holidays/Happy Holiday)(Are any of the lyrics off?)(Even more types of praying mantises.)(Were yield signs a different color, or shape?(Anything else off?)(There are a few popular international changes.)(Zeplin/Zeppelin)(Did Led Zeppelin originally get their name from misspelling Zepplin Zeppelin, or the other way around?)(Anything else off?)(Old Chef Boyardee logos had dashes in the name.)(The term Sugar Daddy goes back way further back now, and is even said in songs like Lovesick Blues by Hank Williams Sr.(Did he never say Sweet Daddy in any of his songs, and was Sweet Daddy never said back then either?)(Did he never say Daddy at all?)(Jamie Johnson/Jamey Johnson)(Was Jamey not an acceptable spelling of Jamie?)(Inate/Innate)(Any word that has double lettering similar to Unnamed.)(Tibet is larger now.)(Weird lighting, and thunderstorm.)(Do any of Aretha Franklin's logos look off?)(Did the Judge Judy logo change again?)(Does the end of Neither Can I by Slash's Snakepit(Snake Pit?)sound off to you?)(Do any of their logos look off?)(Jolly Time products have off names.)(Does the VMA logo look off?)(Does The Nun logo look off?)(Do you remember monkeys inhabiting the Rock Of Gibraltar, and no humans?)(Electric blue clouds appear over Antarctica in 2013.)(Vern Goslin/Vern Gosdin)(Blue spiders now exist.)(Blue moths now exist.)(Statue Of Liberty has black nose.)(Siemen/Siemens)(You Haul/U-Haul)(You Turn/U-Turn)(You Ball/U-Ball)(Do you remember A System Of A Down, A System Of The Down, The System Of A Down, or The System Of The Down?)(Does Jackie Kennedy shooting, and killing John F. Kennedy look even more obvious now?)(Has War Pigs by Black Sabbath changed in many different ways?)(Grage/Garage, and pronunciation is different.)(News Stand/Newstand/Newsstand)(Anything else surrounding this off?)(Are the lyrics in Paranoid Android by Radiohead(Radio Head?)off?)(Do any of their logos look off?)(Are the lyrics in Sabbath Bloody Sabbath by Black Sabbath off?)(Do any of their logos look off?)(Levi Stadium/Levis Stadium/Levi's Stadium)(Were the brand, and the stadium named differently, or the same?)(Violets release a chemical that causes you to forget what they smell like.)(Giraffe weevil now exists.)(Have you heard of the Bogdanoff(Bodganoff?)twins?)(Certain principles on how things work have changed.)(Big Bird's color seems off, and his beak, and other things about him.)(White, and red squirrels now exist.)(The Sun appearing to be orange, and other recent weird stuff recently.)(Have more lyrics in Have You Ever Seen The Rain by Creedence Clearwater Revival changed?)(Aliens Vs. PredatoAlien Vs. Predator, and is the logo off?)(Other names?)(Injustice For All/And Justice For All/...And Justice For All)(Do any of Billy Joel's logos look off?)(Ranch, most soda,(Was Soda plural for soda, and not Sodas?)most meats,(Was Meat plural for meat, and not Meats?)most Chovolates,(Was Chocolate plural for chocolate, and not Chocolates?)and most chip types taste off now.)("I was born in it, raised in it."/"I was born in it, molded by it.")(Is any other part of the quote off?)(Is Lasagna pronounced differently than before?)(Koala Care/Koala Kare)(Do you remember Credence, or Clearance Clearwater Revival?)(Lots of messed up Os, fots in Is, and other letters especially seen on semi trucks.)(There are now tons of old weird looking TVs.)(Minnie Mouse's dress used to be pink with white dotsall the time instead of red with white dots.)(Valiksburn94/Vailskibum94)(USS CalisteUSS Callister)(Ceelo Green/Cee Lo Green/CeeLo Green)(Paul Tibit/Paul Tibitt/Paul Tibbit/Paul Tibbitt)(Jim Carrey was now born in 1962 instead of 1963.)(Did The Smashing Pumpkins member Jimmy Chamberlin die, and is anything else about the band off?)(Did Al Capone die before he got out of prison?)(Verifocal/Varifocal)(The Professional//Leon/Leon: The Professional/Léon/Léon: The Professional)(Gigi Hadid/GiGi Hadid)(Arethra Franklin/Aretha Franklin)(Do you remember Zac, Zack, Zak, or Zach Efron, or Effron?)(Have you seen all the purple plants popping up recently?)(Have more lyrics in Piano Man by Billy Joel changed?)(Lots of messed up Ts in everything lately.)(Louie Armstrong/Louis Armstrong)(Louie C.K./Louis C.K.)(Lots of connected letters especially R, and A, and T, and T lately.)(Lampreys now exist.)(Velvet ants now exist.)(Starfish with lots of limbs.)(Have you heard of pinworm?)(Were sloths extinct?)("Log wood burning through the night."/"Log wood burning through the nights.")(Do any of his logos look off?)(Ing to In' lyrics in most reggae songs.)("The Holy Ghost was moving too."/"The Holy dove was moving too.")(Do any of his logos look off?)(Lots of weird gender animals, and plants, and weeds, and similar things can be male, or female now.)(Do any of the Courtyard Marriott logos look off?)(Bananas are completely weird in how they grow, and everything about them including taste, and other fruits, and vegetables taste different.)(The New Madrid earthquakes are no longer the deadliest earthquakes in history.)(There are now tons of weird fruits, and hybrid fruits.)(Weird facts about Clark Gable.)(Lots of weird things about Elvis now including color of outfits, voice, and less chubby.)(CasualGameReed/casualgamerreed)(Is the name of the last chapter of The Name Of The Rose different?)(Does the BWD logo look off?)(Does the Hotpoint logo look off?)(Is Psychic pronounced different?)(Do you remember only the first letter in a name having to be capitalized instead of other letters being acceptable too in some cases?)(The Chowder cartoon now has characters with yellow eyes.)(Are some of these singers, or bands that did songs you thought were done by someone else people you've never heard of?)(Barney has eyes in the actual The Flintstones cartoon that don't seem to match any online pictures in some cases.)(The DMV is now sometimes the BMV, and other names too.)(The location of Vienna has changed.)Almost all of the munchkin songs in The Wizard Of Oz have changed.)(I Am Lazlow/I AM LAZLOW)(Snow, rain, earthquakes, and other weird weather things happening more often, or in new places.)(Tarantula hawk wasp now exists.)(Is Louisiana pronounced different?)(Is Boogeyman pronounced different?)(Are the Boogeyman movie logos off?)(Has the chorus in Take Me Home Country Roads by John Denver reversed?)(Was it simply titled Country Roads?)(More aircraft changes.)(Video below.)(Weird square clouds.)(The location Dirty Dancing was filmed at seems to have changed a lot.)(Weird old invention that combined fridge, sink, 3 gas burners, storage drawer, and available with electric burners.)(Mother dogs chew off dew claws from their puppies' hind legs.)(Kettle Corn/Kettle Korn)(The latter is now used, and in other things.)(Underwater human coral sculptures now exist.)(Skinks now exist.)(Squabbits, and similar weird animals now exist.)(Words like Unnamed, Unneeded, and Irregular have double letters now.)(We have mysterious DNA.)(Weird red water.)(More small things in The Silence Of The Lambs changed.)(More small things about Elvis' life changed.)(Jonny Dep/Johnny Depp)(Weird rainbow rock.)(Detailed prediction of 1941 Pearl Harbor attack in 1937 newspaper.)(Were Pattie, and Patti not acceptable spellings of Patty?)(Nelson Mandela apparently visited Detroit, Michigan in 1990.)(Both versions of Spider-Man on the Spider-Man 3 cover have swapped places.)(Old Cheetos logos now had dashes, and dots in the name.)(Rebbie Jackson now exists.)(J. Jonah Jameson never says, "I want pictures of Spider-Man." in the Spider-Man movies.)(Are any of the lines in Oh, The Places You'll Go! by Dr. Seuss off?)(Honky Tonk Woman/Honky Tonk Women)(Do any of their logos look off?)("I put a spell on you, and now you're mine."/"I put a spell on you because you're mine.")(Any of the other lyrics off?)(Ing to In' lyrics?)(Any of her logos look off?)(Was Christian Bale American originally?)(More aircraft changes.)(Video below.)(After All/Afterall/After All)(Kris Kristopherson/Kris Kristoferson/Kris Kristofferson)(Other spellings?)(Do any of his logos look off?)(Mike Willis/Mike Wills)(Do any of his logos look off?)(Lots of Hank Williams Sr. songs sound better, and off now.)(Do you remember "That's not a knife, now that's a knife.", or "That's not a knife, now this is a knife."?)(King Tut photos are now messed up in color.)(More changes to Pour Some Sugar On Me by Def Leppard.)(A lot of Webb Pierce music has "Hear what you wanna hear." moments.)(Crocodiles, and alligators use swimming devices now.)(Honeybees sometimes drink blood.)(Lyrics to Colors Of The Wind from Pocahontas have changed.)(All Right vs. Alright, and similar words.)(Did Harry Potter have different colored eyes, and did Daniel Redcliffe have different colored eyes in general?)
6161.(Music Lyrics change.)"Go cat go!"/"Go go go!"(Was it the same both times in the song?)(Any of his other lyrics off?)(Do any of his logos look off?)
6162.(Celebrity death that didn't happen.)Do you remember Aretha Franklin dying?
6163.(Famous Actor name change.)Jean Claude Van Damn/Jean-Claude. Van Damme(Other spellings?)
6164.(Famous Actor name change.)Ralph Machio/Ralph Macchio€Other spellings?)
6165.(Famous Actress name change.)Terri HatcheTeri Hatcher(Other spellings?)
6166.(Famous Actress name change.)Pam GreePam Grier(Other spellings?)
Add-On: Do you remember these things not being pink, or green?(Links below.)
6167.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember Tina Turner singing If I Could Turn Back Time in the early to mid 80's instead of Cher in the late 80's to early 90's?(Ing to In' lyrics.)(Do either of any of their logos look off?)
6168.(Real Life appearance change.)Do you remember Audrey Hepburn having black hair in Breakfast At Tiffany's instead of blonde highlights, and lighter colored hair?(Does the logo look off?)
6169.(Date change.)Do you remember the first steam-powered automobile not being invented as far back as 1768??(Was the first steam car not invented as far back as 1672?)
6170.(Date change.)Do you remember the first jukebox not being invented as far back as 1889?
6171.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember the ending of Murder On The Orient Express never revealing everyone as the killer?(Any of the other endings off?)(Were there not multiple endings?)
6172.(T.V. Show name change.)Hawaii 5.0/Hawaii 5-0/Hawaii Five-0(Other names?)(Does the theme song seem off?)(Do any of the band's logos look off?)(Video below.)
6173.(T.V. Show name change.)Rocky And Bullwinkle/The Adventures Of Rocky And Bullwinkle And Friends(Do any of the logos of anything look off?)
6174.(Fictional Character appearance change.)Do you remember Casper never having blue eyes?(Do any of the logos of anything look off?)
6175.(Movie Quote change.)"Mama says they'd take you anywhere."/"Mama said they'd take me anywhere."(Is the entire conversation off?)(Was it Chocolate, and not Chocolates?)(Was Chocolates not a word, or was it a word?)
6176.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember there not being a campaign to stop robots in Geneva in April, 2018?
6177.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember BigDog(Big Dog?)not being a thing?(Did the amount of time its been a thing changed?)
6178.(Music Lyrics change.)"I'm not the leader of the kick-you-when-you're-down crusade."/"I'm not the leader of a kick-you-when-you're-down crusade."(Ing to In' lyrics.)
6179.(New species.)Have you heard of any of these sea creatures?(Anything else off?)(Link below.)
6180.(Anatomy change.)Do you remember the Adam's Apple not being able to move from side to side, or make clicking noises?
6181.(Holiday name change.)Pentacost/Pentecost(Anything else surrounding this off?)
6182.(Holiday name change.)Feast Of Tabernacle/Feast Of Tabernacles(Anything else surrounding this off?)
6183.(Spelling change.)Supermissive Black Hole/Supermassive Black Hole
6184.(Famous Freak name change.)John Merrick/Joseph Merrick
6185.(History change.)Do you remember the entire SEAL team involved in killing Osama Bin Laden dying?
6196.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember the ancient Olympic games being held in Athens, Greece instead of Olympia, Greece?(Does the website logo look off?)
6197.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember psychedelic(Psychadelic?)gravity wave clouds not being a thing?
6198.(New species.)Have you heard of the northern mole cricket?
6199.(New species.)Have you heard of the gargantuan stick insect?
6200.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember the first car to ever hit 62 mph not being an electric car, and was it not as early as 1899?
6201.(Famous Actor name change.)Ray Liota/Ray Liotta(Other spellings?)
6202.(Famous Actress name change.)Julia Styles/Julia Stiles
6203.(Celebrity death that didn't happen.)Do you remember Michael J. Fox dying?
6204.(New species.)Have you heard of the Mantispidae?(Did it not go by other names?)
6205.(Music Lyrics change.)"He said son can you play me a melody?"/"He says son can you play me a memory?"("He said Bill I believe this is killing me."/"He says Bill I believe this is killing me.")(Ing to In' lyrics.)
6206.(Restaurant name change.)Chevy's Fresh Mex/Chevys Fresh Mex(Is the logo off?)
6207.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember Pamela Voorhees not being the original Friday The 13th killer?(Was Voorhees spelled differently?)(Anything else surrounding this off?)(Do any of the Friday The 13th logos look off?)
6208.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember Painty The Pirate not laughing while Spongebob Squarepants(SpongeBob SquarePants, or was it something else, and are any of the logos of anything off?)plays his nose like an instrument in the theme song?(Does Painty The Pirate, or anyone else I haven't mentioned before from the show look off?)(Was he only known as Captain, or did he not have a name?)(Anything else surrounding this off?)
6209.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember Skylar Grey,(Skyler Gray, and is the use of Skylar vs. Skyler off?)or Rihanna singing 5 O'Clock with T-Pain, and Wiz Khalifa instead of Lilly Allen?Ing to In' lyrics.)(Do any of any of their logos look off?)
6210.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember Ed Sheeran singing Strip That Down with Quavo instead of Liam Payne?(Ing to In' lyrics.)(Do any of either of their logos look off?)
Add-On: Do you remember these things not being pink, or green?(Videos below.)
6211.(Movie name change.)Towering Inferno/The Towering Inferno
6212.(Famous Actor name change.)Jessie Ventura/Jesse Ventura
6213.(Famous Model name change.)Carmen Elektra/Carmen Electra
6214.(Music Lyrics change.)"They'll send you off to war."/"They'll send you down to war."
6215.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember these things being different, or not a thing?(Platypuses have 10 sex chromosomes, they don't have stomachs, they lose their teeth when they leave the burrow so they use gravel, females secrete milk out of pores cause they don't have tits, males have one hole for mating, laying egfs, and using bathroom, they walk on knuckles while on land, they close everything when diving for food, and their bill is very sensitive to electricity, and other things, oklo reactor natural fission reactor, more changes to Mount Rushmore, leopards in the city, red wolf, komodo dragon uses venom, and not bacteria, Nestlé logo, your spine determines your dominant hand, rainbow trout have flesh like salmon, and do they look different? Hot water beach, water is not H2O, water feels different, and sensitivity to cold, or hot water changes, water is a society of molecules, tefillin, blue flamingos, cottontail tent making bats, plant grows through a living rat, octopuses that hunt on land, the black box in Mecca keeps changing, women's march started taking off earlier, changes to the Abraham Lincoln, and John Wilkes Booth story, Lincoln has a mole now, and he wore a zipper jacket before the zipper was invented? Now there are lots of photos of Abraham Lincoln when photos of him didn't exist, dust storm to fill Gulf Of Mexico, more changes to the Statue Of Liberty, Bill Clinton Monica Lewinsky quote changed, there are way more stick insect kinds now, the two bombs dropped in Japan didn't hit the ground, and the land is now safer to live on than before, (Video below.)
6216.(Company name change.)Smith & Weston/Smith & Wesson(Does the logo look off?)(Did .17 HMR ammo not exist?)(Anything else off?)
6217.(Spelling change.)Broach/Brooch
6218.(Movie name change.)Killer Clowns From Outer Space/Killer Klowns From Outer Space(Do any of the logos look off?)
6219.(Music Lyrics change.)"Four rusted horses strangled by their own rope."/"Four rusting horses strangled by their own rope."(Was it the same all the way through?)("Tied heart sat broke."/"Tied heart it broke.")("Sign that said it was a fire sale."/"Signs that said it was a fire sale.")(Do any of his logos look off?)
6220.(Music Lyrics change.)"We came to see the mobscene."/"You came to see the mobscene."(Was it the same all the way through?)(Mobscene/mOBSCENE)
6221.(Music Lyrics change.)"I know there's pain."/"I know this pain."("Why do you wrap yourself up in these chains?"/"Why do you lock yourself up in these chains?")("Things will change."/"Things to change."/"Things can change."/"Things could change.")("Make you say goodbye. Say goodbye."/"Make you say goodbye.")("Letting your worries pass you by."/"Letting your hurries pass you by.")("If you hold on."/"Can you hold on?")(Was it all the same through the song?)(Ing to In' lyrics.)(Anything else in the song off?)(Do any of their logos look off?)
6222.(Music Lyrics change.)"There are voices that long to be heard."/"There are voices that want to be heard."(Do any of their logos look off?)
6223.(Music Lyrics change.)"But we lost it."/"But I lost it."
6224.(Music Lyrics change.)"But I don't know your name."/"Don't know your name."
6225.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember INXS singing You're Unbelievable instead of EMF singing Unbelievable?(Do any of either of their logos look off?)(Anything else off?)
6226.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember Ariana Grande singing Issues, or Selena Gomez singing I Got Issues instead of Julia Michaels singing Issues?(Do any of any of their logos look off?)(Anything else off?)
6227.(Music Lyrics change.)"That holds a lot of rain."/"Holds a lot of rain."("Love hurts."/"Love hurt.")("I really learned a lot."/"Really learned a lot.")(Anything else off?)(Is the ending off?)(Do any of their logos look off?)
6228.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember meteors, and similar things only glowing white instead of other colors?(Fireballs aren't only orange.)(Are there more meteor showers to look for, and do they occur more frequently, and do more meteors fall?)(Did planets not "pulse" other colors, or at all?)(Anything else off?)(Video below.)
6229.(New plants.)Have you heard of plants that can swim?
6230.(Store name change.)Home Furniture/HOM Furniture(Anything else off?)
6231.(Music Lyrics change.)"She looks so perfect standing there in my American Apparel underwear."/"You look so perfect standing there in my American Apparel underwear."(Was it the same as the title?)(Do any of their logos look off?)
6232.(T.V. Show name change.)Santa Clara Diet/Santa Clarita Diet(Does the logo look off?)
6233.(Chicken name change.)Orphington/Orpington(City in Kent too.)
6234.(Company name change.)Wetherspoons/Wetherspoon
6235.(City name change.)Wein, Vienna/Wien, Vienna
6236.(Poem name change.)Nothing Golden Stays/Nothing Gold Stays/Nothing Golden Can Stay/Nothing Gold Can Stay
6237.(Fictional Restaurant name change.)MacDowell's/McDowell's(Anything else surrounding it off?)(Real brands too.)
6238.(Famous Author name change.)R.L. Stein/R.L. Stine
6239.(Island name change.)Mackinaw/Mackinac(Still pronounced Mackinaw, and the city is Mackinaw.)
6240.(Famous Psychic name change.)Sylvia Brown/Sylvia Browne
6241.(Song name change.)Tie A Yellow Ribbon Around The Old Oak Tree/Tie A Yellow Ribbon Round The Ole Oak Tree(Are any of the lyrics off?)(Do any of their logos look off?)
6242.(Famous Actor name change.)Brandon MeyeBrendon MeyeBrendan MeyeBrecklin MeyeBreckin Meyer
6243.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember The Way I Are being sung by certain different people than it is now?(Are any of the lyrics off?)(The Way I Am/The Way I Are)(Nelly Furtando/Nelly Furtado)(Timberland/Timbarland/Timbaland)(Do any of their logos look off?)
6244.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember Marilyn Monroe not appearing nude in the first issue of Playboy?
Add-On: Do you remember these things not being pink, or green?(Cirque De Sol/Cirque Du Soleil)(Other spellings?)(Videos below.)
6245.(Spelling change.)Bennihana/Benihana(Other spellings?)
6246.(Song Title change.)I Did My Time/Did My Time("I am the one who chose my path."/"I am the one who chose my past.")(Anything else off?)
6247.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember Lance Henriksen being the lead role in the first Hellraiser movie?
6248.(Spelling change.)Alchol/Alchohol/Alcohol(Drink too, and similar words.)
6249.(Company name change.)Tennessee Pride/Tennessee Pride Real Country/Odom's Tennessee Pride Real Country(Does the logo look off?)(Sausage is sometimes part of the official name too.)
6250.(Music Lyrics change.)"When you want it, it goes away too fast."/"When you want it, goes away too fast."
6251.(Music Lyrics change.)"What in the world could make a brown-eyed girl turn blue? When everything I'll do I'll do for you."/"What in the world can make a brown-eyed girl turn blue? When everything I'll do I do for you."(Any of the other lyrics off?)(Ing to In' lyrics.)
6252.(Music Lyrics change.)"Baby hold on tight."/"Baby hold tight."(Any of the other lyrics off?)(Did Steve Perry die?)
6253.(Music Lyrics change.)"We drink alone."/"We drank alone."(George Thorogood & The Destroyers/George Thorogood)(Do any of their logos look off?)
6254.(Music Lyrics change.)"So I go down the street."/"So I go down the streets."("So I go to my room."/"So I go in my room.")("Give me a triple shot."/"Need me a triple shot.")("The night before last."/"A night before last.")("I gotta drunk."/"I gotta get a drink.")("One bourbon, one scotch, one beer."/"One bourbon, one shot, one beer.")("Night, and a week."/"Nigh' on a week.")(Ing to In' lyrics.)
Add-On: Do you remember these things not being pink, or green?(Video below.)
6255.(Famous Football Player name change.)Paul Horning/Paul Hornung
6256.(Famous Actress name change.)Tracy Lords/Traci Lords(Was Traci not an acceptable spelling of Tracy?)
6257.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember there not being a Parthenon(Parthanon?)replica in Nashville, Tennessee?
6258.(New species.)Have you heard of cats with wings?
6259.(Song Title change.)Ricky Don't Lose That NumbeRikki Don't Lose That Number(Other names?)(Any of the lyrics off?)(Do any of their logos look off?)(Were Ricki, and Rikki not acceptable spellings of Ricky?)
6260.(Fictional Character name change.)Brenda Meeks/Brandy Meeks(Is it currently changing to Brandy?)
6261.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember more people being killed by great white sharks, and other sharks each year, and generally than the number actually is?(Did sharks never taste test, and did they use to like eating humans?)
6262.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember mummies being found in the Great Pyramids?
6263.(Can't think of a title .)Do you remember these things being different, or not a thing?(More changes to Mount Rushmore, wasp species reemerges after being extinct for longedt time, black locust trees, frog mainstream pregnancy test, multiple logos in actual video are off, more changes to airplanes, more brutality, cannibalism, and meat-eating, and harshness in the animal kingdom, derechos, lots of new stuff about dogs, cows now sometimes drink their own milk, and other things about cows, changes to Eva's car, more changes to how the Sun's color works, spiders now spin sometimes as defense, goat horns, and bighorn sheep horns, and lots of antelope horns, and bull horns are getting longer, and bigger, female zebra finches compensate for unattractive partners, little penguins, lots of things about pangolins including their existence.)(Video below.)
6264.(Music Lyrics change.)"Darkest place right beneath the stairs."/"Darkest place like beneath the stairs."("It's do, or die."/"Do, or die.")(Was it the same every time?)(Do any of their logos look off?)
6265.(Music Lyrics change.)"I'd tell you to enjoy life."/"I tell you to enjoy life."(Do any of their logos look off?)
6266.(Famous Group name change.)Bonny M./Bonnie M./Boney M.(Do any of their logos look off?)
6267.(Movie name change.)Hunt For Red OctobeHunt For The Red OctobeThe Hunt For The Red OctobeThe Hunt For Red October(Book too.)
6268.(Celebrity death that didn't happen.)Do you remember Robin Leach dying way before August 24, 2018?
6269.(Music Lyrics change.)"Come with me baby."/"Come to me baby."(Any of the other lyrics off?)(Pretty Woman/Oh, Pretty Woman)(Did it not go by two names?)(Any of his logos look off?),_Pretty_Woman
6270.(Famous Singer name change.)Chris Deburgh/Chris DeBurgh/Chris De Burgh/Chris de Burgh(Do any of his logos look off?)(Do any more of the lyrics in Africa by Toto seem off?)
6271.(Music Lyrics change.)"She remembers bridges, and burns them to the ground."/"She remembers bridges, burns them to the ground."(Do any of their logos look off?)
6272.(Music Lyrics change.)"The ones I thought I loved."/"The ones I thought I love."("But you left me here."/"You left me here.")(Do any of their logos look off?)
Add-On: Do you remember these things being different, or not a thing?(Video below.)
6273.(Movie name change.)Terminator Genesis/Terminator Genisis/Terminator Genisys
6274.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember men not wearing skirts in Star Trek: The Next Generation?
6275.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember these things being different, or not a thing?(Triangle island, cloud shadows, talking crows, new island near Ontario, Canada, Bermuda Triangle anomaly, new island above Russia, birds can fly upside down, purple frog, pyramid in Wyoming.)(Video below.)
6276.(Music Lyrics change.)"This one says."/"This one said."(Sayed, or Sayd?)("This one's got."/"This one got.")(Any of the other lyrics off?)(Do any of their logos look off?)
6277.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember the original Fly movies all being black, and white instead of color?
6278.(Music Lyrics change.)"She's looking at me."/"She looking at me."("Everybody loves you."/"Everybody love you.")(Ing to In' lyrics.)(Do any of their logos look off?)
6279.(Music Lyrics change.)"Wipes the tears."/"Wipes a tears."(Ing to In' lyrics.)(Do any of their logos look off?)
6280.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember these things being released earlier, or later?(Commodore 64, NES, SNES, N64, PS1, and PS2.)(Digital cameras were first made public in 1975, and were released more widely in 1995 instead of the early 2000's.)
6281.(Song Title change.)Promiscuous Girl/Promiscuous
6282.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember "I'm SPM.", or "I am SPM." being said in the chorus of You Know My Name by SPM?(Ing to In' lyrics.)(Do any of his logos look off?)
Add-On: Do you remember Coca-Cola never being sold in milk cartons?
6283.(Music Lyrics change.)"Knocks you off your feet."/"Knocks you off your feed."("You lit, and you learned."/"You lived, and you learned.")(Do any of their logos look off?)
6284.(Music Lyrics change.)"I can't take the pain."/"Can't stand the pain."("I must be going insane."/"Must be going insane.")(Jackal/Jackyl)(Ing to In' lyrics.)(Do any of their logos look off?)
6285.(Slogan change.)"We make car buying easier."/"We make buying easier."
6286.(Music Lyrics change.)"I feel the heat of love's flames down on me."/'I feel the heat of love's flame down on me."(Ing to In' lyrics.)
6287.(Can't think of a title.)Do you remember the Martian sky always being red?
6288.(Music Lyrics change.)"When we make love."/"When you make love."("It's what I need."/"Is what I need.")
6289.(Music Lyrics change.)"You got the power, you got the glory."/"We got the power, got the glory."
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2017.07.27 16:57 Roboticide Fixing Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets (some more).

I read Ponyman713's post and the comments, and while I agreed with some of it, I disagreed with other parts of it, and most of all, it misses a huge plot hole that needs to be addressed.
I'll try and be brief, but the truth is, I liked this movie, and I wanted to love it, but there's just too much wrong with it. There's nuggets of a great movie in there that my girlfriend and I spent a whole dinner discussing, and I'm curious what others think.
So major points:

The Commander

We find out (*gasp!*) that the Commander used some sort of WMD against an enemy in battle. Another officer warns "There's a civilization down there!" and the Commander does it anyway! Except it's the right call. Here's how things play out:
The point is, it's not like the Commander was choosing between "fuck the primitives" or not. Their planet was doomed the moment the two fleets engaged each other in orbit. The Commander was choosing between victory for his people or defeat, but Mul was doomed no matter what.
Now, the Commander's later actions don't really make sense through this lens. There's no need to cover it up, his chain of command would understand the possible outcomes. They talk about reparations, and the fact that they'd be ostracized from galactic society, which is a fair concern, but if you want to make the Commander "evil" then write it so he knowingly ambushed the enemy in orbit over an inhabited planet, or something, not that he used the weapons he had available to save his own soldiers.

Bubbles and the Barbarians

So where are we getting the time we need to elaborate on the big space battle that develops the Commander into an actual villain? We cut Bubbles and the whole subplot/detour with Laureline being kidnapped. Sorry Rihanna, but it buys us like ~20 minutes.

The Romance

I'm really gonna skim over this one, since I agree almost entirely with the original thread regarding this. Valerian should be asking her out on a date, not for her hand in marriage. Admittedly, we don't really know their past or context really, but we're quickly led to believe or are outright told:
They then have their adventure, which presumably, is just one adventure of many they've had as special ops/secret agents. So for them, this was presumably a mildly more interesting Tuesday. And to the very end, Valerian still does not seem to understand his partner on a romantic level, prompting her convoluted speech to him at the end. She then inexplicably seems to accept him romantically not an hour later when they're in the capsule. Why??
Laureline also comes off as the professional early in the movie, but then is the emotional one at the end. Valerian also swaps character, going from impulsive and emotional to stoic soldier. Why is Laureline beating the hell out of the Commander instead of helping Valerian shoot the murder bots? Why does Valerian not want to give up the magical shitting rat because of "duty" when not a minute ago he punched his commanding officer in the face?
I think it would have been better if instead of throwing out "Marry me," Valerian was just trying to get her to go on a date with him. Show that they have that great professional partnership and Valerian wants to see if they could be more. Have Laureline over the course of the movie see that maybe he's willing to change.
Okay, that wasn't short, but I think that was the dealbreaker for the movie for me. I would have put up with the rest if their relationship had been remotely believable. It doesn't have to be what I just wrote, but at least believable.

Other Minor Points

I'm curious what others thing, or if I'm just wrong about any parts of this (like am I misunderstanding the space battle scene?). Overall, I give it a 3/5, but I will tolerate a lot if I think the core of the movie is solid.
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2016.04.14 04:13 Camille11325 Relationship Dynamics Part One (Updated + Expanded!)

A New Way of Looking At Relationship Dynamics

An understanding of RP concepts and terms is required before reading and commenting on this post. Please note that this entire theory is limited to describing average and attractive people (5+ on the SMV scale), and of course, these are generalisations, not ironclad universal laws. A series of follow up posts will explore these ideas more, this is merely an introduction.
Our disposition, personality, and behaviour all have a profound effect on the types of relationships we thrive in. A couple doesn’t need to be identical, but the right balance of traits is necessary for compatibility. This new RP theory focuses on two important characteristics: the dominance level of each person, as well as the woman’s dominance threshold.
Your “Dominance Level” (DL) measures attributes such as your natural tendency to assume the lead and how you exercise authority in interactions. DL takes into account all behaviour, it is not limited to actions within a romantic relationship. For the purposes of this post I will use a scale of 0 - 10 to discuss DL, with 10 representing the maximum possible level of dominance one can have. There are separate male and female scales - a woman who is a 6 is not more dominant than a man who is a 5, and a man who is a 10 is more dominant than a female 10.
How are dominance levels expressed in men?
A 10 has 100% alpha traits, and a 0 has 100% beta traits. As you move across the spectrum, the ratio shifts. So a 2 has 20% alpha traits, a 6 has 60%, etc.
  • Men who are lowest in dominance (0-3.5 on the DL scale) have the highest ratio of beta traits in comparison to alpha traits. They can be easygoing, empathetic, gentle, and considerate. They can also be sensitive, emotional, unconfident, indecisive, and soft. Keep in mind that these are just a few examples, these traits do not define these men nor are they required to be in this category.
  • The 3.5s-6s exhibit more alpha traits but their nature is that of a “greater beta”. These men are able to provide comfort and leadership as required in a relationship. Most women have men in this category, especially on RPW. If you are looking for a “medium dominance” category, this is where your man belongs (but to be clear, he is still in the "low dominance" category of this system).
  • Men who are a 6-8.5 on the DL scale have a higher ratio of alpha traits in comparison to beta traits. There are many types of alpha men: apex, renegade, patriarchal, criminal, corporate, political, etc. and they all have different characteristics that allow them to succeed and take charge in their respective environments. One thing they all have in common is an immense amount of masculinity, which can be both good and bad.
  • 8.5 - 10s can fall into any of the alpha subtypes. They also have the highest amounts of Dark Triad traits, and are the rarest group of men.
How are dominance levels expressed in women?
The alpha/beta ratio does not apply to the female dominance scale. There are no easy, clear cut terms for the spectrum, just various dispositions and behaviours. While the ratio of masculinity and femininity plays a role, the DL is not measuring either of those traits directly. I have chosen both positive and negative examples for each type but again, these are generalisations and only a fraction of the possible characteristics one can have.
  • Women who are in the low dominance category (0-6) are non confrontational, sensitive, and accommodating. They are psychologically feminine, not only with their men but in their everyday lives, automatically. They can be doormats, passive, weak, and insecure if they do not learn how to prioritise themselves first instead of others. This does not mean that they are incapable of having any of the traits that high dominance women have, just that the concentration of H traits lowers as you approach zero (and vice versa with H women and L traits).
  • High Dominance Women (6.5-10) are more confident, driven, assertive, and ambitious. They can also be more masculinised, argumentative, self serving, and insubordinate. Some women like to think of themselves as “alpha women” but this is a myth, not an RP concept. Do not fall into the trap of thinking that being high dominance is superior. Both categories have their strengths and weaknesses. Feminists have pushed the idea that male characteristics and virtues are a universal ideal that all should strive for so women are encouraged to be high dominance. The only way that high dominance women can have romantic success with a dominant man is if they can master psychological femininity and deference within their relationship.
Your “Dominance Threshold” indicates how dominant your man has to be in order for you to feel attraction, commitment, and love. I will also be using the 0-10 dominance scale when referring to the dominance threshold. For the purposes of this discussion it is assumed that all women have a range of 0-2 points past their threshold where attraction is possible. The threshold is the minimum but most women who prefer a 5.5/10 would not be comfortable with an 8 or higher.
How are dominance thresholds expressed in women?
  • Women with low dominance thresholds require less alpha, and more beta in their relationships. This means more affection and softness, more obvious and frequent displays of love and care. These women are repelled by or afraid of extreme displays of male aggression, anger, or arrogance. They also do not like strict boundaries or being controlled. They are suited for betas and greater betas.
  • Women with high dominance thresholds require more alpha, less beta. They crave arousal, displays of power, raw masculinity, etc. from their man and view the same beta traits the low threshold women love as weaknesses. They are perfect mates for all types of alphas.
  • When a man’s DL is way too low for a woman, she reacts with disgust or infantilisation. If it is merely a point or two lower you’ll see shit tests. If it’s slightly too high, she’ll comfort test, and when it’s way too high she’ll be afraid. This applies to all women regardless of their threshold or dominance level.
Taking the 4 categories into account (low/high DL, low/high threshold) there are 8 possible relationship combinations. Not all are optimal or RP but all of the dynamics exist in the real world. Moving forward we will use these labels within the subreddit in our discussions and the advice we give.
By using a combination of 3 letters (all of which are either H or L) we can refer to each dynamic with ease. The first letter establishes the man’s dominance level, the second the woman’s, and then the third is for her dominance threshold. So a high dominance man (H) with a low dominance woman (L), who has a high threshold (H), would be described as HLH. A low dominance man (L) with a low dominance woman (L), who has a low dominance threshold (L), would be LLL.
Now onto an overview of the dynamics, which will be described with an emphasis on the effect on the woman. They are ordered from least potential to be RP to most potential to be RP, with 3 equally RP dynamics, there is not one universally ideal dynamic. Please keep in mind that these descriptions are all generalisations of what is most likely to happen, there are always exceptions. Note: future posts will help you identify your dynamic, do not fixate on labeling yourself from this introductory post.
  • High dominance man, high dominance/low threshold woman (HHL) - she vies for dominance and feels little to no comfort or security. Possible violence as she is likely to stir up trouble by constantly challenging her man.
  • High man, low/low woman (HLL) - she needs more beta comfort and can’t stay motivated when feeling unloved. She feels he is mean or scary. There is also a strong chance of violence in this relationship which only further discourages the LL woman from being her best and creates a cycle where the man is constantly punishing her.
  • Low man, high/high woman (LHH) - she walks all over him or bosses around. This is a very common dynamic as it is what usually happens when a woman is out of the CC riding/AF phase and has settled for her beta bucks.
  • Low man, low/high woman (LLH) - she is repulsed and/or can’t respect him, wishes he was more dominant. Whenever you see an RPW post where the OP asks: “How can I get my main to be the captain” or says “I tried captain/first mate but he’s not taking the lead” then you know it’s an LLH situation.
  • Low man, high/low woman (LHL) - a lot of feminist relationships are like this, and they can work, and people can be happy in them. There is also a chance that the woman walks all over the man and disrespects him and he just puts up with it. It all depends on how attracted the woman is to her man, and how well he is able to maintain that attraction.
  • High man, high/high woman (HHH) - potential to be RP if the woman respects the man. “Captain and First Mate” as described by RPW is not an adequate description of the dynamics in HHH relationships. This combination can be a power couple, or there can be violence if the woman does not defer to the man (think Chris Brown and Rihanna).
  • High man, low/high woman (HLH) - potential to be RPW and a classic fantasy that is not seen as much in reality. The woman is naturally submissive and aware of it. She is drawn to a dominant man and requires power over her. There is a strong sense of ownership and there can also be a paternalistic element to the dynamic. This differs from HHH relationships in that the woman is not a partner in crime, but rather a source of support and feminine energy while the man takes on challenges. At its worst, HLH relationships involve the man taking advantage of and abusing the woman.
  • Low man, low/low woman (LLL) - this is the most common both in and out of the subreddit. Contrary to what many may assume, most rpw are interested in or already with greater betas! When done right, these relationships are the epitome of the captain and first mate concept. The man leads and the woman occupies the traditional female role, but it may not feel like submission or deferment to her because of the lack of power imposed explicitly. If the man fails to take the lead, the woman may feel forced to assume that role and her respect for her man will decline. If no one assumes the lead, arguments are more likely to happen, and again, the woman will lose respect for the man.
Can you change your dominance level?
You can absolutely eliminate the personality traits that hinder your success. If you are a high dominance woman, you may need to work on being less controlling, argumentative, or disobedient. RPW is great for that! If you are low dominance, you can become more assertive, confident, and more. However, men who want the traditional, RP relationships are not interested in women who do not listen to or respect them, so it’s important not to go too far in the other direction.
Can you change your dominance threshold?
Attraction is non-negotiable. It’s important to be aware of and honest about your preferences and select a partner wisely. Understanding how men think can help you become more comfortable with a man that has a DL way higher than your threshold. If you are with a man who’s DL is below your threshold RPW can help you with respect, loyalty, and all of the other issues that come with those dynamics. Your threshold may change naturally over time based on life experiences, as you learn what you actually like in relationships.
What can we do with this information?
As mentioned earlier, this system will be a great way to have everyone on the same page when it comes to discussing relationships and giving advice. We should all be aware of our biases, and our individual dominance levels and thresholds greatly affect the responses we leave about other people’s relationships.
A lot of women with low dominance thresholds can’t understand masculine, dominant men, and that contributes to them advising women to leave their men in certain instances or worrying that something is abusive. The reverse also applies, women with high dominance thresholds are less able to wrap their heads around how other women can stay with and be attracted to low dominance men.
It is important to be aware of our biases and work to overcome solipsism. It’s not about what we would do in their situation, but what they should do in their situation. Hopefully having the language to identify dynamics will help us all provide suggestions that work well with whatever dynamic a user is involved in.
Thank you for reading, I hope this all made sense and was helpful! I have an entire series planned out so be patient and allow me to flesh out the theory over time. Thank you so much _wingnut_ and PhantomDream09 for all of your help and for lending an ear as I worked on the theory! The next post in the series will be about female dominance levels. I’ve created a quiz that will help you figure out where you are on the DL spectrum so get excited!
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2016.02.15 17:46 felixjmorgan My (pretty detailed) thoughts on TLOP so far

Every album Kanye has released since 2008 has been challenging for the listener. 808s, Yeezus and even MBDTF to a certain extent have all needed time for the listener to decode his intentions and translate his brutally honest stream of consciousness lyrics and progressive production into something coherent. And so far, when the dust has settled, you've been left with something beautiful.
Right now the dust hasn't settled on The Life Of Pablo, and it's difficult to predict if or how it will. I've listened to it 10+ times and watched the live stream 6-7 times over, but I'm still not incredibly clear on how to summarise my thoughts in a sentence. It's an incredibly inconsistent album with some knockout 10/10 moments and some undeniable moments of idiocy, making it very hard to summarise your thoughts into a conventional rating system. There is still talk of an overarching narrative about the life of St. Paul, but so far I don't think there's a consensus on if it exists or if it's communicated clearly enough to be of any value, so I haven't focused on that here.
The opening track, Ultralight Beam, gets the album off to an incredibly strong start. It's possibly the strongest part of the album, with Kirk Franklin's gospel vocals interspersed with Chance verses. It feels almost like Kanye passing the baton to his young Chi-town protege, particularly highlighted by Vic Mensa's absence. The song covers Kanye's battles with his faith, and feels very honest and touching.
Following this is Father Stretch My Hands part 1. The beat on this is lovely, and following on from Ultralight Beam this feels incredibly exciting when the drums kick in and Cudi starts singing the (awesome) bridge. Kanye's hook is straight out of the Graduation era and is instantly memorable. However, the first verse starts with possibly Kanye's worst lyric ever, talking about models bleaching their assholes. This is the first of many moments in this album that feel close to brilliance, but scarred by Kanye's ever growing distance from his audience. He is renowned for his honesty and ability to expose both the negative and positive sides of himself, but in the past it was delivered with far more self awareness and subversion than here. This line just feels so crass that it pulls you out of what had the potential to be a great line. It actually has a lot to offer beyond that line, but it's fighting an uphill battle after that.
The song transitions into a beat switch for Part 2 where it takes on the darker side of similar themes (his relationship with his father and wife), swapping Cudi out for Desiigner. Lyrically this is one of the better tracks but one of the worst production wise. The samples are thrown in haphazardly and it feels a bit disjointed.
Next up is Famous. This song has another 'wtf' moment, with Kanye's already infamous line about Taylor Swift. Straight after release Ye took to Twitter and defended his right to artistic expression, but I'm not sure what the artistic purpose behind that line could possibly be other than ego fulfilment. It comes across as misogynistic and disrespectful to an artist who has always treated Kanye with respect, despite his infamous Grammy's stunt towards her. Again, this song is pretty all over the place. Opening with a Rihanna verse over minimal production, he flips this into a trap influenced beat seamlessly, but then just a minute later tries to flip it into a dancehall sample. The whole thing ends up feeling very disjointed and challenging for the listener.
Feedback is Kanye at his most unapologetically braggadocious, but in a cohesive and intentional way. It's single minded and all of his claims are substantiated. It's not my favourite beat, but it feels less haphazard than some of the other tracks with similar themes.
Low Lights doesn't feature Kanye in any vocal role, and consists of an uncredited vocalist giving a monologue about their relationship with god over a simple beat and minimal piano. Her voice is full of emotion and the dialogue is moving, so while it isn't a stand out track, it fits well within the broader context of the album.
The seventh track is Highlights. I really like the beat and Thugger's hook on this track, but again, it has a moment that really pulls you out of it. I wish my dick had a GoPro? Really juvenile lyricism that jars with the rest of the track. I can even tolerate his lyrics about him and RayJ fucking the same bitch, because at least it's something personal. It gives you an insight into Kanye as an individual. The first one though is just incredibly purile and reeks of Kanye needing more of his collaborators to challenge him during the creative process. This song actually has some great lyrics on it too, but they don't end up the focal point because of it's detracting moments.
Next up is Freestyle 4. This song seems to have been badly received so far, but I think the sample is fucking brilliant. Taken from Mica Levi's awesome score for Under The Skin, it's incredibly eerie and unnerving. The strings cut through and make the listener feel the paranoia and swirling emotions that Kanye is trying to convey. This song is about negative themes - drug abuse, losing control of reality, sexual indulgence, etc, but it stays consistent to it's own internal logic. Unlike Famous, which is all over the place and inconsistent, this song has one theme it tries to deliver on and sticks to it. The lyrics show a really dark side of him, but it works.
Ye goes meta with I Love Kanye, almost following in Drake's footsteps by creating songs with the intention of becoming memes. He references online humour with the closing line 'I love you like Kanye loves Kanye'. It's silly but it's fun, and it shows a level of self awareness that is lacking at times on this album.
Waves was going to be removed from the album until the last minute, but Chance fought to keep it on. For that, we can definitely thank Chance, because this is one of the the strongest tracks on the album. In all honesty, I've not been able to decode this lyrically and understand exactly what Kanye/Chris Brown are trying to say thematically, but this song connects with me emotionally (despite my overwhelming dislike for Chris Brown - I can't deny his positive contribution on this song). I think Kanye's second verse is most telling, when he talks about how 'sun don't shine in the shade, bird can't fly in a cage', and then hints towards his mother's death in the lines straight after. I wonder if he's using waves as a metaphor for the ebb and flow of life, constantly putting him through new challenges and stifling his creativity? Not sure really at this stage, but will definitely be listening more to try and decode it.
FML is one of the most direct songs on the album, with Ye and The Weeknd tackling some of their demons head on. This song also has a line about how crazy he is when he's off his Lexapro, admitting to the world that he battles with depression and contextualising his erratic behaviour more. He talks about the difficulties with keeping faithful in his relationship, and his struggles to kerb his partying as he grows up. This is the Ye I love personally - incredibly honest and open, but not shying away from his demons. The hook is brilliantly delivered by The Weeknd, who was undoubtedly the perfect partner for the track.
Real Friends was undoubtedly my favourite track before the album release. Again, Ye looks inwards and talks about his own failures as a friend, and how he may deserve his failing relationships with friends and family. When compared to his earlier stuff that touched on similar topics (most notably Family Business), it paints a really stark contrast that highlights how far he has developed as an artist. He talks about how he struggles with the pressure of the high status he has received, and how difficult it is to understand who is genuine in his life. Ty Dolla $ign is great on the supporting vocals, with his autotuned voice blending brilliantly with the mellow beat. One of the album's best.
Wolves is a tough one. I love the production on this track - Cashmere Cat knocked it out the park. It's dark, moody, and sounds completely different to anything I've heard before. The hook is great, and the lyrics are incredibly dark at times. Like everyone else, I was super excited to get the exact same version we heard on SNL last year but in better quality, but I think the one we got is quite a significant regression. Sia's vocals really played well with Ye's - his autotune going head to head with her beautifully unaltered voice. In their absence we have one of the worst verses on the album - full of stupid lines that get far more focus than they deserve. His verse ends well, directly explaining the Wolves metaphor (though perhaps in a too heavy handed way). Frank's outro is good (particularly since the beat almost fully drops out, giving his voice far more focus), but it's still far less remarkable than what it replaced. Apparently the album was meant to end here, and the songs after this point are considered bonus tracks, but since Ye hasn't said anything on it himself I'll assume they're not.
Silver Surfer Transmission is just completely unnecessary. I have no idea why felt the need to include this on the album, rather than just put it out on Twitter. It doesn't deliver into any of the core themes, it's just him alleviating himself of any guilt he may have over the name situation.
30 Hours is fantastic. The Arthur Russell sample is a prime example of Kanye's brilliance - flipping an example from a relatively obscure avant-garde musician from the 80s and turning it into a catchy hook driven hip-hop song. The core narrative in this song is really compelling, as Kanye remembers driving from Chicago to LA to see his girlfriend who he fell out of love with shortly after. It's still interspersed with some shitty lyrics - most notably 'a blowjob's better than no job'. It also falls apart near the end as he decides to ad-lib over the beat for the last verse, with no real direction or purpose to it. The version on Soundcloud is far tighter, and it seems like a stupid decision to include it on there.
No More Parties in LA is great, and the best showcase of Kanye's rapping on the album. He goes head to head with Kendrick and comes out on top, which I don't think anyone else has done in recent years. The Madlib beat is a match made in heaven, and he has some clever word play that is absent in other tracks.
The new version of FACTS is an improvement over the previous one, but it shouldn't be on the album. This is a throwaway track of the highest order, and it has no place being on there.
Fade is a bit better, and all the collaborators (Ty Dolla $ign, Post Malone, Rare Earth) add valuable elements to a song about fading relationships and the difficulties in understanding who is real and who is fake in your life. The bassline is great and a nice throwback to some Chicago history. It's not a particularly strong end for the album, but it's definitely better than Facts.
Overall, I really enjoy this album but it's so erratic it's difficult to make sweeping statements about. It has some moments of genius (Real Friends, Ultralight Beam, 30 Hours, FML) and some absolutely terrible moments (FACTS, Famous, Silver Surfer Transmission). The inconsistencies and polarising extremes are something we should be used to with Kanye releases by now, but it's really tough to ignore some of his most idiotic moments on this album. The good bits shine brightly enough that it's definitely one of the best releases in the last few years, and by no means a blip on his stellar discography, but it's no MBDTF. Right now I'm thinking a low 8/10 due to absolute 10/10 moments that are tarnished by numerous 3/10 moments.
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2013.11.26 18:15 tabledresser [Table] IAmA: I used to be a paparazzo (2007-2011). I'm here to reveal all secrets of the dirty work and talk about celebrities.

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I heard that Daniel Radcliffe basically made all paparazzo photos of him worthless because he wore the same clothes everyday - making it look like all photos taken of him were done the same day. Basically Radcliffe got it right. This though, is pretty difficult with women who no matter what will try to look great in their outfits (I guess not all women, ehem.. Kristen Stewart). Leo Di Caprio is also good at making his pictures worthless (and worth a lot at the same time), but he takes it a step further. I heard that even when he goes out to restaurants he asks for the table that faces a wall, doesn't look up to the waiter and never takes off his hat or sunglasses.
What other clever ways have celebrities burned the paparazzi? And what suggestions do you have to celebrities that want to make their photos, "worthless?" Are you a celebrity? Cuz there's even more things that you could do to make your picture worthless (or for the paparazzi to be worthless). Good luck to you!
What was the most disruptive or invasive thing that you ever did to get that money shot? The worst one that haunted me for days... was Marcia Cross' twin daughters birthday with her husband that had cancer.
It was super creepy, worked with a partner, never left the car where I was hidden and took pictures of them enjoying a day in the park. When they went for coffee later, they saw us and they were super chill and nice people. Seriously, I couldn't believe they were so nice. They knew we were always there in the car taking pictures and thank us for giving them their space. Still super creepy. I hated that job.
I'm sure I did more similar things... you know.. being a creep is part of the job. But that's the one I just remembered right now.
Never really did anything "invasive" out of the ordinary that I can think off. Bruce Willis did call the cops on me once because he said I was trying to get into his property. This was not true, I simply was peeing in a bush in Mulholland ave...
If you suddenly became super famous, would you complain about not having privacy, being followed etc. or would you suck it up and say it's part of your life now? Would you smile and talk to paps or openly hate them? Of course I thought of this before. I believe that privacy is a lost issue now a days with the internet and the NSA. I am not embarrassed of who I am and I believe I would smile and talk to them openly.
I would hate it if I was in my honeymoon or something of that sort and some asshole was shooting me with a 500+ lens. But there's an easy way to avoid this from happening and many celebrities have figured it out (just take pics yourself and throw them online for free, kills the money shot)
I would follow the example of people that admired and were great with the paps. They are just people working for some shitty media that wants some shitty news.
The Cult of Personality. How demeaning was it to take pictures of celebrities? Here in NYC, we ignore them and they can live a fairly normal life and actually walk around (except John Lennon). NYC has a lot of paps and they don't ignore them. LA works pretty much the same. A lot of people ignore them, but a lot of people go to the city just to see a celebrity so of course they go wild when they see one.
It was pretty demeaning, especially being an artist myself. But I did get to see awesome people and even shook hands with Paul McCartney.
What's the worst or meanest celebrity you met? I had a chance of meeting a lot of celebrities too, and I have to say that Eddie Murphy is a major douche. Sean Penn punched a friend of mine in like the second week of the job.
Javier Bardem spat in my eye (and I was so nice to him).
There's a lot out there that are douches, but for the most part, they were nice. They are just like people, some assholes, some regular folks and then the extremely super nice.
I never saw Eddie Murphy, but what you say makes sense. In comparison, Samuel L. Jackson is fucking awesome and nice, and you would think he would be the mean one.
Damn. i thought javier bardem was cool. He can still be cool. I saw him a couple more times and he was dickish, but no spitting on my face.
Maybe he was having a bad day, maybe he is just a general asshole or has no idea what to be a pap is like, but the dude is a pretty good actor though I hated him on Love in the Time of Cholera. I have a few friends that are a fan of his and got sad with my experience with him. But fuck it, just hope the guy thinks about the shit that he did. I mean, that's like one of the worst thing you can ever do (to spit on someone's face). I think I rather be punched.
There's a lot out there that are douches. I did not provoke him or did not hound him. I was super nice to him and gave him space. I thought he was going to shake my hand like many before him have, that's why I turned around.
I work in Hollywood and I would have kicked him in his fucking knee and buckled him. Well... then I would have gotten arrested and worse. The paps never have anything going for them.
Did you ever see/meet anyone from the Chili Peppers? Yes. I have "famous" pictures of Anthony Kiedis and his son Everly Bear (I think that's his name). I'll link you or post them soon.
Anthony was really really chill and a really nice person.
Also saw Flea and Chad. Both great guys, but virtually worthless in pictures in the paparazzi realm.
Edit: Here's Anthony with his kid.
Cool pic. No sign of John Frusciante? =P. Had to google John Frusciante, I believe I saw him, but never tried to sell his picture. Searched my hard drive as well... nothing.
So do you just hang around the gates all day and see who turns up, or do you have vague ideas of who to expect? More than vague ideas. A detailed list of what flight they were on and constant calls from several sources even giving me more information.
What odd similarities do you find between celebrities and people? Odd? There's no odd similarities. Celebrities are people. They have two ears, two eyes, a mouth and a nose, two arms (etc. etc.)
Ohh ohh.
I see your redditor name now.
Does the industry establish any limits or unwritten rules when it comes to your profession? Is there a line that most are unwilling to cross when it comes to getting a shot? There are. But now there's too many idiot paps breaking the unwritten laws. So the limits have been disappearing and people will do whatever to take a picture. TMZ has pretty basic rules for their videographers about respect and not shoot if they the talent doesn't want to be shot. If you see a video of asshole paps filming and just provoking celebs, they weren't TMZ (or they were and got fired).
If you are still answering questions, what was the nicest thing a bodyguard said to you or the strangest thing a body guard did? Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen's bodyguard was super chill. He always told me how things were going to go down, didn't block my picture, just did his job.
Fergie's bodyguard is like her best friend. He was also always awesome.
Jessica Simpson's bodyguard told me about all the people he had worked with before. He was also a former cop and marine. I asked him what would he do if I was an actual threat. In less than a second my arms were locked painfully behind my back and couldn't move. Super badass.
Holy shit. I wanna meet that last bodyguard. Sounds like that was a lot of fun. Also did you meet anyone that you still keep in contact with? Uhh.. there's a lot of people I still keep in contact from LA, but not an actual celebrity that I met.
I'm not going to name drop, but a friend of mine is a comedy stand up has been in a few shows and might be getting a movie deal soon.
I slept with a girl who is now in movies, youtube shows, commercials and shows. I keep contact with her, mostly because I want it to happen again. I don't think it will happen again.
Mary Kate and Ashley's (former) bodyguard! I know him, he's my friend! Yay! :) Bald guy that always wear pink shirts?
They switched bodyguards quite a few times. If that was him, he is a cool dude. Thank him for being a cool bodyguard for me.
Based on the years you spent as a paparazzo, I assume you had some experience with Britney Spears? As that was around the time of her 'breakdown' which brought on a major media frenzy. Tell me everything about her! Oh god...
Yep. She was indeed crazy. I tried hitting on her with the fantasy that I would be in someday and I was just 21...
What can I say that hasn't been said before? The camera I used when I switched agencies was the very same one that took the picture of her shaving her head and her vagina. My boss was like "this camera and I have been through a lot, break it and you are fired." (He was half kidding and I loved that D3)
My first jobs as a pap was Britney. She did randomly talk in British accents and was widely unpredictable. It was always a mess with shit tons of people trying to get pictures. One time she drove around in circles in a parking lot as 20 pap cars followed her. She would park, pretend to get out of the car, all the paps would jump out, but then she would just get in again and drive around the parking lot.
This pap told me a story that one day they were outside her house waiting for her. When she decided to come out and invite all the paps inside for a BBQ and a party but with no cameras. They obliged and went inside her house where she went to a different room. He said she then went to a different room and when she came back asked wtf they were doing there and called security to kick them out. He also said that he went inside a room that had random sex toys and shit smeared on the walls. THIS IS NOT MY STORY. Just a story I heard when house sitting some place else.
After her breakdown I saw her at LAX a couple of times. She always seem faded, almost robotic as her handlers took her through security and put her on her plane.
Edit: I actually already wrote about Britney on my blog and tell the stories there of when I saw her.
Have you ever been attacked by someone who didn't appreciate being photographed? Javier Bardem spat in my eye and that was about it.
Other people hide or run away, but none really attacked. Justin Bieber and I played a little game of see who can run faster. I won.
Oh yeah, and Beyonce's bodyguards. They push you and attack you, no fucks are given.
"I need you step out of the car, sir" This was at LAX. He was walking with Penelope and I was giving them distance while saying really nice things in Spanish (welcome to LA, I'm a huge fan, I love your work). He was about to get in his car when he turned around and I thought he was going to extend his hand to shake and say thank you (like many other celebs have). Instead he said "Eres basura" and spat in my eye. I saw Penelope freaking out, I saw his helper freaking out... I freaked out. I yelled back that I was just a guy trying to pay his fucking college debt working a shitty job, but no fucks were given. He got inside the car and left. I called my boss, he told me I had a lawsuit in my hands, specially because there was witnesses. I thought about it and talked to the police. They told me I could press charges under attack with a biological weapon (yep..) and it was going to be a whole fucking mess. I decided to drop it and leave it to karma.
"Would you hold still please"
spits in your face
To be fair paps are trash and only help feed America's unhealthy obsession with garbage that doesn't matter while helping them ignore the stuff that does. Lots of other ways to make money. I'm glad he spat in your face, he was right. Spitting in someone's face isn't the worst thing ou can do, spying on someone who is terminally ill and spending time with their family is worse. Do you actually have respect for yourself after doing that job? You should read the whole AMA and not only the asshole part. I answered your question before.
Totally agree that paps help feed the trash. Let us not forget is not only America that is obsessed with celebrities, my pictures sold worldwide (and Australia can be worse).
If you spat on someone's face... congratulations. You are an asshole... sir Asshole_Mountain.
Also if you were a tourist in LA where is the one spot you would go to see celebrities easily? Uhh... try the usual hang out places? Robertson? Beso restaurant? The thing is.. there's so many celebrities that a lot of people see them and not even realize it.
Have you known anyone before they became famous - or on the way up? If so, has that been beneficial later on? Yes. Tons of people. When I started, Twilight was nothing. My neighbor was Nikki Reed and she was awesome. We figured our birthdays were one day apart and we had a lot of similar interests (she going to college for art history which I also partake).
Also, Selena Gomez was just the little girl from Wizards of Waverly place. Miley Cyrus was just Miley. I saw both of them become massive which was super weird. They were both super nice when barely famous, but it changed fast.
There's more like that...
It was beneficial in the way that if they remember who I was, they were super nice to me. Like Vanessa Hudgens. She always smiled at my camera and other paps were always like WTF?! how do you do that?! It sounds super dumb, but I miss her sometimes...
If you look at my comments section, I've never said a bad word about Vanessa. She's such a sweet and down to earth person. She eats with the crew and is always happy and smiling. She's got a very magnetic personality. I miss her. She was one of my favorites. I would always make her smile and blush.
Which celebrities are the most 'in demand'? Do you think any celebrities genuinely get unfairly harassed or are excessively pursued by the paparazzi? Jennifer Aniston, Brad Pitt and Jolie are the top 3 demands and will always be a good sell.
Uhh... its not the paparazzi that chooses who to pursue, is the obsessed audience that wants to know more about a certain person. Some get unfairly harassed when the media only cares about them. I remember Rihanna after the Chris Brown days, everyone was in that case (I shied away from on demand stories). She definitely was pursued like crazy for a while.
I understand what you mean - that was poorly phrased! My apologies. I guess I wondered if you felt there are celebrities who can legitimately complain about the involvement of the press in their lives. I particularly wondered in light of what you said about celebrities who used to be child stars hating it; I've seen the clips of Suri Cruise telling paps to photograph her doll instead of her, and I wonder how this will impact her later. Do you think there's an increase in how involved audiences want to be with the children of celebrities? I believe that America and every country should adapt the no baby pictures like in Europe, where they blur the pictures of anyone under a certain age.
It truly is fucked up that Suri Cruise is as famous as she is. BABIES BABIES BABIES. The magazines and my bosses would yell at me for that. I don't understand celebrity obsession, much less celebrity baby obsession.
I think that's the part of things I've found hardest to comprehend. While I find the interest in celebrity coming-and-goings to be a little off, I can understand it as being a sort of aspirational thing. When it comes to the current trend of knowing what is going on with celebrity babies, and the trend of (some) celebrities creating web presences for their babies via instagram and twitter, I find it really strange. When I think how many sad stories there are about child celebrities not coping with the work or the fame for something they've done, I compare it to a generation of celebrity children, in particular Suri Cruise, who are famous and magazine-fodder for doing nothing except carrying some genetics. I don't see this going anywhere good. And, like you, I don't understand the celebrity baby obsession. I have one more question if you have time! Do you think the presence of social media (while obviously making it easier for selfies etc and undermining your job) has made celebrities in general more open and accepting of public scrutiny? Celebrities that have a social media presence are for the most part better off. But have to be always careful about what they post online, anything can be taken out of context. For myself, I know there's people that are going to upvote me and people that are going to downvote me. I'm happy for those who appreciate me and don't care about the haters that just hate (unless they have something constructive to say). I think many celebs are grasping this notion. There's probably as many Justin Bieber fans as Bieber haters and he should understand that not everyone is going to like him. This is what everyone should acknowledge and everyone would be fine (or that is my view).
I'm not trying to give you a hard time, cos I appreciate you're answering the questions, even the 'hard' ones, which is more than many AMAs, but... Hahaha.
I believe that America and every country should adapt the no baby pictures like in Europe, where they blur the pictures of anyone under a certain age. My agency sold those pictures before. The harm was already done, did not think much of it. Also, the only pics I have of Kiedis are with his kid. I wasn't going to get out of my way to blur that out.
You just posted an un-blurred pic of Kiedis' toddler. What gives? But you are right that I would prefer to have that picture blurred out (also, I should be watermarking my pictures, but laziness!)
Generally, how do you find out when "celebrities" will be at a location? Is it random chance? Or do their publicists tip you off and they just act surprised? Already answered this in some ways.
Random chance happened a lot (I mean, Aleksander Skarsgard and Bai Ling lived in my same apartment complex)
Anyone and everyone will tip you off. Publicists sometimes give information without the knowledge of the celebrity, so they are genuinely surprised.
Do you have any picture of bai ling where she's not trying to nip slip? Looked through my hard drive. Apparently Yes.
There's a set of her eating at Fish Market in Venice, boring pictures of her just applying make up.
There's another set of her arriving to LAX with a red shirt on. Boring pictures of her again.
I guess the only ones that make the light of day are those that show her pencil eraser nipple.
Did you make friends with any of them? If I were a celebrity I'd try to have one paparazzi friend... one. I would like to say yes... but friendship is a two way street, so I know it's silly to think they were my friends.
I chatted up with many and even hung out, gave them my business cards and what not. But no one ever called me :(
I've heard that celebs will call pap to tip them off, is this a common occurrence? Yes, depends on the situation. Some need the media attention at just the right moment.
Hello. Did you talk with Diego Luna and Gael Garcia?? As a mexican I'm really proud they are doing so well in the international film business. YES! As a Mexican and a huge fan of all their work I had to talked to them. I approached them to get that picture of me with them at LAX.
Gael was a bit of a dick and Diego was the nicest fucking guy ever. Gael was confronting me because I took more than one picture, he told me that one was enough. I told him that in the business I keep shooting until I get the right frame. Diego calmed Gael and asked me to direct them to the taxis. I helped them navigate LAX while taking pictures and Gael was still being dickish (while Diego super chill)
Iñarritu was there with them as well, but I didn't bug him because he was with his family.
Also saw Diego once in a bathroom in a bar in LA. I was already drunk and walking out when he was walking in. I randomly yelled "DIEGO!" and he looked at me with a "do I know you" type face. I just told him I was a fan, shook his hand and left the awkward situation.
That's really cool, I just saw you got Tijuana at your twitter, I'm from Monterrey. Viva Mexico!!! maybe you could make another AMA at /mexico. Soy Queretano and active member of /mexico ;)
They love to downvote in that subreddit... I might give it a try. I'm also going around TJ giving talks of what it was like to be a paparazzi.
Did you work as paparazzi at Tijuana when the artists went to vacations? No artist comes to Tijuana for vacation. I worked mostly in Los Angeles though I went to several other places.
I don't pap anymore, but if I spot one in TJ, I know I'll have to take their picture. Macaulay Culkin was here not that long ago and I missed him and I'm glad I didn't see him.
Va para el cerrito? Si hay cafe de olla y un quesito fresco, con mucho gusto.
Yucateco acá... Solo... hola. Mare! bombaaa!
Out of 10 A-list celebrities how many are in the closet? 3 out of 10? 5 out of 10?'s a cliche question I know but i still need to know. Hahaha.
I think I have a decent enough gaydar and I would say that is more than you imagine. Tons of Hollywood waiters (wanna be models/actors) like to claim that they have slept with celebrities so I have heard that a lot are.
Any Alec Baldwin encounters? Hahaha... oh yes. The man flies from LAX to JFK a lot. I saw him a bunch. He was never nice but also never a dick.
Never anything bad but I do suspect he has no teeth. He was also embarrassed whenever his daughter picked him up for some reason.
No teeth? Yes, like he has prosthetic teeth and takes them out at will (like Grandpa!)
I believe the word you are looking for is "dentures". AHH yes. I couldn't think of that!
Do you have a most prized photo of a celeb? (more so personally to you, not what everyone else wanted) One of my favorites was Lindsay Lohan in Hawaii. It was like my first travel job and major sale and the first time using a 500mm lens. But there's a lot of other pictures I treasure (like the aforementioned Paul McCartney).
Do you have any pictures of Tom Hiddleston? I'm such a giddy fangirl Never saw Hiddleston, he was not famous when I was around, sorry :(
What is the need for all this following around? How's the attitude and how are the people who you work with? There seems to be no care about giving people their space, and their private time is it, and sounds like this is an industry for just people who don't care about others? There are a lot who are not American (probably do not have the papers to work there) and give no fucks about anything.
It is a dirty industry where people trample over each other to make money.
My last year working was for an agency where everyone was fair and smart, so that was way better.
What was the pay like? For example, did you get good money if you were the lone photographer (because I can't spell Papa whatever)? The pay always depended. I know now a days is way worse and paps fight more for lame pictures.
It could be anywhere between 5 cents and $5,000 or even more.
I averaged around 5k a month. I had horrible months where I made less than 1k. My best month was 12k.
Pay was tricky. The picture gets sold, the magazines don't pay you until months later. Blogs pay a misery. The agency you sold the pictures fuck with the numbers and pay you less. So the numbers were always all over the place. Sales reports included title of picture sold, what it sold for and my commission. Sometimes the report was 5 pages long of tiny tiny amounts that added up to 2,000.
So... it always depends. There is money in the job, its just not easy money (and I hear that now a days is way worse).
(and I hear that now a days is way worse). More paps, less privacy.
Any idea why? What changed? Technology changed the game. Now a celebrity can be somewhere and an idiot with an iPhone will take their picture an upload it to Twitter. That's a free picture for magazines to grab while that paps are trying their hardest to get a good picture.
What's Audrina like? I'd like to hear what you have to say about her. She's always been my celeb cursh. Well.. this is going to be a very bias answer since she is also my celebrity crush.
Yes, I have folders and folders with tons of pictures of Audrina. I used to hang out by her house and follow her all the time... She was always super nice, her sister and brother were chill too. Her dad tried to sell me their monster truck (as if I made that much money as a pap). Basically, picture that high school crush that you had nothing in common with but still believe you were going to marry her (or at least that's how it was for me).
What are some of the crazy things that happens to a paparazzo? Anyone do something that caught you completely off guard? Uhh.. Javier Bardem spat in my eye.
A lot of crazy things happened almost daily...
Which celebrities smoke cigarettes? Any idea of a percentage? Also any celebrities that seem tame but actually party hard? I caught a few smoking and some asked me to delete the frames because they don't want that image.
It wasn't that often. Complete guess of a percentage, 30%. And from that 30% only 5% are closeted smokers.
Uhh.. The Jonas Brothers? probably not the answer you were looking for.
I'd be interested to hear more about the jonas brothers? is it just joe jonas that parties hard? or the other ones too (no one remembers their names...)? Uhh Nick and... uhh ... uhhh...
I'm not sure. I know Ashley Greene is awesome and loves to party. Joe dated her and other girls that would love to party. Last time I was in Hollywood I bumped into Joe. I'm sure he parties. Not much to say about them, they were nice kids.
Obviously some celebrities act like they hate the paps, but have there been any in your experience that stood out as exceptionally nice and kind to the people that take pictures? Besides all the celebrity whores (Kardashians, the Hills, Jersey Shore, Kate and Jon Gosling, etc.) yes.
Al Pacino has to be one of the nicest ones that you would never expect. Hugh Jackman is super nice that every time I saw him I just wanted to brohug the dude. Like I said before, those who you expect them to be super mean turn out to be nice. Some that you expect to be super chill are complete dicks.
Tl;dr Al Pacino and Hugh Jackman.
I wish people would stop taking pictures and celebritizing the kardashians. They are seriously the least interesting people ever. They are famous for no reason. I don't even think they're attractive. Kim is oddly hot.
Seriously, in person she doesn't seem interesting or hot. I would take pictures of her and be like "bleh," then look at my camera and she would look perfect. Oddly photogenic in like the worst lightning and worst moments.
But yeah. I have no idea why they are famous besides Kim having an ass that I could sleep on as if it was a waterbed (and yes, it is that huge in person).
Did any celebrities call you to take their picture? I heard Hilary Duff does this. Not me personally. A lot of them do call other paps.
Can you say who was calling paps? Many have at some point in their career...
All the Twilighters. The Kardashians. Lindsay Lohan. Almost everyone from The Hills.
If its not them directly is via a publicist.
Celebrities need paps as much as paps need celebrities (or even more... )
Do you consider paparazzi work "photography"? Why or why not? I consider it one of the toughest photographies next to National Geographic stuff. Animals are tough creatures to get perfect pictures of, so are celebrities. Think about it, we get pictures of people that don't want their picture taken, similar to polar bears that are looking for a meal and much rather eat the photographer.
Sport photography is an a controlled ambient. You know the light, you know the sport, you know what is going to happen, you just better be a good shooter. Model photography is very controlled. Pretty much every ambient is nice and controlled except photojournalism (or paparazzi, which is its lowest form) and nature type awesomeness (which someday I hope to do).
How do you know where people are going to be? Is it mostly PR tip offs and obvious things, like being at the airport, or is there more to it? Its that obvious. When you are in LA and the business, you can't escape it. I would see celebrities when I DIDNT WANT TOO.
Being at LAX to just be at LAX can get you some luck, but its dumb and pointless. Limo drivers and their agencies are more than willing to sell some information. Same with airline people.
Many paps have the city "wired". Valet parking people, managers of restaurants, or virtually any one that wants to make a quick buck can make a call and sell out a celebrity for $50 or so. I had tons of people that also called me for free.
When the twilight craze was going full speed I befriended some Twilight crazy fans that send me information constantly. These girls knew everything and messaged me for free the information.
So I always wondered how exactly do you know which flight someone is on does Delta call you and say hey Kanye's on our flight or what? Basically...
Either someone that works for Delta. The driver who is supposed to pick up Kanye or Kanye's PR gives you the flight #. Sometimes is the obvious celebrity gets on a flight from LHR and people get pictures. There's only a few flights from LHR to LAX, you figured out which one they are on.
One time I saw Ann Coulter randomly and took her picture. She asked me how I knew and guessed "someone in JFK told you!" I was like... "sure Ann, because you are that important"
Taking pictures of Ann Coulter is a waste of ink and paper. Should have beat her with the camera instead. I snapped four (digital camera) The flash didn't go on for 2 of them. Sent the one semi decent pic to my agency just in case.
Here's that she-devil
Have you ever played the game pokemon snap? YES! and it is my main inspiration.
Which celebrities had the best or worst temper when they got their photos taken? None and all at the same time.
Whoever you think will be mean, is actually super nice. Whoever you think will be super nice is the opposite.
When a celebrity has a movie coming out, they are super nice. When they have negative press they become assholes.
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2013.06.15 02:05 tabledresser [Table] IAmA: We are Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg - Ask Us Anything

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Was it hard to get Michael Cera to kiss a girl in Superbad? Actually, FabulousFaceRape, it was quite easy to get him to kiss a girl. Thanks for asking, FabulousFaceRape. My regards to Mrs. FaceRape.
You guys have stated that some of the funniest jokes in Superbad were from the original script that you two wrote when you were 13 year olds. What is one of the jokes that stands out from the original script that eventually made it into the movie? "funny thing about my back... it's located on my cock."
Where does a celebrity buy weed from? I have a prescription, so I buy it from a store. It's a fucking dream come true.
I heard Emma Watson walked off the set because you were high. Is this true? No. That would make for a wonderful story though. Emma seemed super psyched with how everything went and even came to our premier to do press. I think if you're that put off by weed, odds are you aren't working with us in the first place.
Did you guys already have her in mind to play the part before/while writing the script? Yeah. We wrote the part for her and then went out and asked her. We where fucking shocked when she said yes.
Seth: What’s the one joke or line in one of your films that made your parents roll their eyes and say “Really, son?”. My parents sometimes get sick of me talking about weed on talkshows and shit like that. They finally said to me "jesus, do you have to talk about weed all the fucking time?" but people always asks so I don't know what to say.
Evan: Why don’t you act in the films you write? Evan: I don't act because I have a bad memory and third eyeball.
Seth, on a scale of Mr. Rogers to Snoop "Lion". How high are you right now? I'm about Harrison Ford right now.
I love you. You are the funniest guy in the world, what is your opinion on the illegal downloading of movies? I personally don't do that because it does take money out of people's pockets. sometimes very small films rely on sales to make any money. Huge movies are okay to ilegally download though. Ha! download man of steel all you want.
Man of Steel wouldn't happen to be up against any other movies this weekend would it? Are you implying that we are petty and competitive? Cause we are.
What is the best advice you've ever received? "Never touch the pole in a strip club." - Evan's Dad.
Seth, I've been following you on twitter and you still seem to be pretty down to Earth, have you noticed any changes in yourself since you've become famous? I only eat off diamond plates and my cutlery is made from the bones of christian babies. But other than that I'm same ol' seth.
How much of This is the End was ad libbed? About 50%. The actors came up with a lot of crazy shit, and topped our script a lot more than we'd like to admit.
How the hell did you proposition the actors for This Is The End? Like Rihanna and such. Well, Seth had noticed that in magazine interviews Rihanna had said that some of her favorite movies were SUPERBAD and PINEAPPLE EXPRESS, so it was a shot in the dark and she said yes. Emma Watson, we just kind of reached out. And everybody else we knew in some capacity and called them up as a friend, and asked if they wanted to come to New Orleans and die really quickly.
Was the house in the movie actually James Franco's home? No. The inside was built in a warehouse that was used to store coffee beans. The outside was largely computer generated. I don't think franco actually has a house. He lives in a library like the bum in "With Honors".
Why was Jonah so angry in his Rolling Stone interview? I think sometimes they just catch us on a bad day. I talked to that guy for about two hours and when I went home I was like "jesus, I said about two thousand things that could make me look like a complete motherfucker". Alot of it is luck of the draw as to what the people will choose to use, and how they want the article to be. Jonah is not bruce banner in real life.
Did you guys have much luck with girls in high school? No, that's why we made SUPERBAD. If you're having trouble not getting laid, take that frustration and put that towards a future career, because it's not going to immediately change the fact that you're not getting laid.
DID YOU DOWNLOAD THE YEEZUS LEAK? You bet your ass I did. I'm shocked he made a song inspired by our film "guilt trip" but I'm flattered.
Dopest dope you've ever smoked? Whooo. toughy. The first time I went to amsterdam when I was 19 I was alone waiting to meet a friend, so I went into a coffee shop and asked for the strongest weed they had. I smoked a huge joint of it alone and then sat alone in the coffee shop for two hours having no idea what to do. I kept thinking my giant backpack was in people's way.
I actually extra-d on this in NOLA last summer and had a blast, and I loved seeing the movie. Most of the characters are more or less how we imagine them from all the other stuff they've done. And then there is Michael Cera. Where did the inspiration for the crazy, coke-blowing George Michael Bluth come from? We thought up the character first - someone who is just a cokehead, maniac sex-deviant - and then retroactively, we thought who would be the most surprising person to see in the role. So we chose the sweetest, most beautiful, innocent boy in the world, Michael Cera.
Hey Seth! I met you a few weeks ago when you visited Oakland to promote your film, and I took this AWESOME picture with you. I wanted to say thanks for being so chill about greeting your fans, and I wanted to ask you if we are wearing the same glasses? Penguin, right? Ha. No. Raybans. But you are very handsome.
Seth: what is your reaction to Freaks and Geeks becoming such a revered and celebrated tv show? It's fucking crazy. When it got cancelled, there weren't really shows on dvd and netflix didn't exist, so there was no precedent for shows that got cancelled to come back to life. We thought it was done. And now more people probably watch it than when it was on in the first place, which is awesome and unexpected. I'm blown away by it.
How sexy is Franco on a scale of 1-10? James Franco is an 11 out of 10 on the sex-o-meter.
Are you two really making a movie about Kim Jong Il? It is not Kim Jong Il, it is his son, Kim Jong Un. We're doing it with James Franco. We're shooting in Vancouver. We're super-excited!
Were you actually stoned when you filmed any of your scenes? Ha. Sometimes maybe for some low impact scenes.
Probably in a residual sense but it's hard to act really high. for me anyway.
Have you ever used real marijuana while shooting those scenes? We're not as unprofessional as people might think.
Who are your favorite people to smoke weed with? I mostly like smoking weed with babies.
What's your tradition for opening weekend on a movie? I usually stress out like crazy and yell and people for no reason as a way of dealing with my insecurities.
What is the worst thing Evan asked a cast member to do and they refused? I asked Craig if he would say a bunch of terrible things about Mother Teressa and he almost did it but then politely asked that we not push that joke and we begrudgingly let it go.
What is the proper term: sneakers or tennis shoes? As Canadians, we find "sneakers" humorous and refer to them as "runners," which makes a lot more sense. You don't sneak around in them, you run or walk.
Which do you like better, things or stuff? I'd say that things are undeniably better, because stuff sucks shit.
Seth, you were a writer for Sacha Baron Cohen on the Ali G Show…what was that like? It was great. It was mine and Evan's first actual job together. We would think of people he could interview and then write the questions that he would ask the people, while trying to predict what the people we are interviewing might say. We went on the road to texas and then to spring break in florida where we exposed frat boys as being much more homo-erotic than they would have liked.
I saw This is the End at the midnight showing. Absolutely loved it. My question : did you toke with any of the Backstreet Boys? We did not get high with the Backstreet Boys. We'll find out if they do that in the sequel. Besides, they don't need drugs or alcohol. All they need is each other.
What is your favorite movie you've done? Probably THIS IS THE END and PINEAPPLE EXPRESS. They're both just so fucking crazy, and specifically I think we enjoyed making these we were thinking the whole time "I can't believe they're letting us make this."
On a different note, I, Evan, would like to note that I didn't work on OBSERVE & REPORT but wish I had, because of how cool it is.
Hi Seth and Evan Which would you say was your most stressful movie to make? And which one was the best or funniest to make? GREEN HORNET was definitely the most stressful. 50/50, SUPERBAD and THIS IS THE END were all a lot of fun.
What type of music do you like? I like all types. Been listening to Ab-soul, Chance the rapper, tyler's new album, yeezus!, daft punk, and of course, Crosby Stills Nash and Young.
Who is the weirdest person you know? Probably Michel Gondry. He is the least normal human I've ever met in my life; he's from a different planet made of styrofoam and lego, where physics and logic are not the same as in our world.
Favorite band? Our favorite band mutually is Led Zeppelin.
Which of your many, many quotable lines do you get shouted at you walking down the street? This is Evan; neither of us really get lines shouted at us. Seth used to get "You know how i know YOU'RE gay?" a lot, but now no one cares about him or me. We're just dust in the wind...
Why is Evan never in any of the movies you guys write? I am in the last scene in this is the end dancing with my wife.
Was there anyone in particular that you wanted to kill during filming because of any reason? The answer to any question - "who could you not believe was there?" "Rihanna."
"Who did you most want to kill?" "Rihanna."
If we were killing someone or just thrilled to have someone on set, it was Rihanna. She is more famous than everyone else on the film combined.
If you had to have Randy Newman's voice, which era of Randy Newman's voice would you want? The "Toy Story" Era of Newman.
Seth, remember that time on some talk show when you told the host that your girlfriend wanted to get a dog, but you said no because then she'd want a baby...well, how's your wife enjoying her dog? She loves our dog more than most people love their babies.
Which was your favorite scene to film in This Is The End? Which was your favorite to write? We loved filming what we refer to as the cum battle. The writing of the first party scene was fun because it was great to see who we could get to do what crazy shit.
Q1: I know you guys are both writing partners but how does the process work? You obviously discuss it but who writes what and how do you organize your ideas or settle differences? Ever since we started when we were 13, we've done everything together (except for acting). Even when we were in separate cities, we would write over the phone. If we don't agree on something, it's like any team or partnership, we just debate it until we reach an amicable middle ground. Also we have a lot of great people that we work with - Kyle Hunter, Ariel Shapir, Alex Mcatee, and our producing partner James Weaver, and we bounce stuff off them all the time.
We both do everything together. We sit in front of one computer at one desk and we make huge lists of ideas that slowly evolve into the movie. We outline the emotional stories and the structure for a long time and then we write the dialogue. All sitting six inches from each other. the whole time.
Would you direct a new generation of Freaks & Geeks if you had the chance? No, I have nothing to do with the creative elements of that show, I was just an actor and I don't have the right to do that.
Does Craig really sweat a lot in real life? Yes he does. He actually carries a sweat towel around with him all the time because as he puts it, "I'm always sweating or about to sweat".
Why don't you guys do more work with mclovin? He is in This is the End and he's in the movie we just finished filming, Townies. He plays a frat guy with a giant cock.
Would you rather make a movie that did poorly in theaters and turned out to be a cult classic, or one that was a box office hit but was virtually forgotten in a year? The first one. We've made both those types of movies (people don't like to admit it, but Green hornet made a shitload of money) and it feels much more gratifying to make movies that people love but aren't as successful. Kind of.
Love your stuff man. You are a good writer. But anyways, on SNL you mentioned you played Magic. what were the cards you wanted to make? and after you got rich did you buy a black lotus? Ha. I don't think I ever got the black lotus. The royal assassin was a hot commodity. I am a fucking nerd.
How would you describe This is the End's sense of humor? Spunk-a-riffic!
Hey guys, so Jonah got his nomination...Which member of the cast do you see getting an Oscar nom next and why? Probably not me! Maybe Jay. He's been in movies that have won oscars and whatnot.
Where do you come up with your ideas for these hilarious movies? Either in Canada or America, usually the Continent of North America. But we had a few zingers in Asia while we were on the Green Hornet trip.
I noticed Deftones' music was in your film, and the title "This Is The End" is actually a line from the song in the movie, Hole In The Earth. Intentional or no? I mean, I didn't really figure you guys had much to do with the music anyways, I just wanted to know if you guys were Deftones fans? That is a coincidence, but we did actually pick pretty much all the music in the movie, and I was HUGE in to deftones in high school. Seven words is a fucking sick song.
I've been enjoying all your recent podcast appearances. Have you ever considered starting your own? We talk about making our own podcast a lot. The idea is to do a show that reviews people who review movies and other things.
You should drop by them more often. Especially Doug Loves Movies. Because there have been too many nights where we've gone to sleep asking ourselves... "who watches the watchmen?
What is you favorite type of pie? Mine would be key lime. Lemon meringue pie is by far the king of all pies, and the other answer is WRONG!
What's your biggest piece of advice for writing comedies? My biggest piece of advice to anybody is just to finish what you start. Because if you don't finish stuff, you're just trying to be a writer. When you finish it, you're a writer. And specifically regarding comedy, share with a lot of your friends; don't be isolationist about it, try to get a lot of opinions and try writing with a partner - it works for me!
So I know This is the End and all... but are all of you guys going to continue to collaborate and make more comedies in the future?? I hope so. We're about to direct another movie with me and Franco. and we have some stuff with Jonah and the others that we're working on too.
Shout out to Nick Theodorakis!
Is Danny McBride actually a jerk, or is he cool? Danny is actually the sweetest guy on earth. He's married and has a baby and I don't think has ever attempted to murder someone.
, are you and James Franco as close as the movie makes you out to be? Me and franco are close, but he's super busy and he never listens anymore!
Evan -- who would win in a fight: Franco, McBride, Jonah, Craig or Seth pretending to be Franco pretending to be Harry Osborn from Spider Man? Hmm...I would say it would be Jonah, playing the Seth from SUPERBAD, who's actually being played by the Seth from Seth's life in the Green Goblin outfit and women's underwear.
What are your favorite beers? Man. I like Canadian beers. Kokanee is what I grew up drinking, so I'm partial to it.
What are your favorite South Park episodes? Southpark: hard. Imaginationland is amazing. when jimmy gets a hooker. The world of warcraft one is rad. so many...
What projects do you guys have planned after this movie? We already made another movie with Seth, Rose Byrne, and Zach Efron, called TOWNIES, about Seth and Rose raising a child next to a frat and they go to war.
How are you so awesome? All Comedians are awesome. You just have to know where to look. Which is north.
(Americans are also pretty good)
Hey Seth huge fan been watching all of your work for years. I've got a few questions. I’m wondering How come you don’t you appear on the league more? Your roll as dirty randy is one of the funniest on tv. Do you ever consider doing more serious/non-commical movies? 50/50 was somewhat a step in that direction but I’m just curious if you are interested in doing movies where you aren’t trying to make people laugh (action, mystery, etc.) Have you ever considered playing a roll where you are a religious figure (priest, monk, crazy Mormon, etc.)? I think it would be hilarious. We talk about making more dramatics movies, but it really seems that if approached right, you can make any movie into comedic one. 5050 showed us that. It's a greater challenge, but the movie is more accessible and more people will see a movie about a tough subject often if it's funny.
Which movie is your favorite comedy? My favorite comedy is SPACEBALLS (this is Evan). I think Mel Brooks is the funniest man ever.
Do you have to be REALLY good in English Literature(big vocabulary etc.) in order to write movies? I was pretty good at English literature (this is Evan speaking) - I was bad at almost everything else. I probably couldn't do this job in French, or Hebrew, or Aramaic.
Who is your man crush? Chris Messina. He's everything I will never be.
Does any of you guys have time to play videogames? If so, what's your favorite one? We try to make time for videogames but it's hard these days.
Seth's favorite game is CALL OF DUTY, and I like UNCHARTED.
Do you think peanut butter should be crunchy or creamy? Crunchy. Creamy is for saps. Only FOOLS eat creamy!
Was mclovin based on a real person? Yep. Me and Evan actually had (and still have) a third friend named Fogell. He was smaller than us and the three of us were always together. He hates us for this mclovin shit.
SETH What's the best way to pass a urine drug test for MARIJUANA? They have things call "whizzinators" which are like dildos that have pee bags in them. all you need is some clean piss (child's) and you're all set.
What was your opinion on the whole Youtube Comedy Week? I had a lot of fun doing it (this is Seth) - it was very entertaining. What did YOU think?
There's a video of you (Seth) doing standup as a young kid infront of a pretty big crowd. Was it your first time doing standup? Did you write down your jokes and rehearse beforehand? If it's the clip I'm thinking of, it's not my first show. It was something called "comedy night in canada" and it was my biggest show i'd ever done at that time. I think around 400 people or something. I think I'm around 15 in that video. I may be wearing a "Korn" shirt.
Damn. You guys have been making the rounds. Adam Carolla Show, NPR, etc. etc. You must be exhausted from answering questions about the movie. So, my question: Burritos. Great food, or the greatest food? Depends on the burrito. Breakfast burrito: greatest food.
I loved the L.A specific jokes in the movie, the subtle delivery of the word "Cahuenga" killed me. What other subtle line deliveries / sight gags crack you guys up the most but may not have registered with the whole audience? I would say every time you see anything that looks like LA, it's not perhaps a gag but something we're proud of because we filmed every minute of the movie in New Orleans - so the Hollywood sign, the palm trees, Melrose are all constructed or made with computers. Actually if you dissect the film the geography makes no sense - they go from Franco's house to a corner store in like 2 minutes walking, which is impossible. It's on the DVD, but we shot a whole thing where they talked about remaking some of their past movies, and only Seth and Jay had heard about Craig Robinson's past movie DRAGON WARS, so we made a bunch of jokes about it. Other than THIS IS THE END, DRAGON WARS probably has the most screwed up layout of LA.
How worried are you that the NSA is creating a movie studio and stealing all of your material? I assume the NSA has a video of every single time I've ever masturbated in my life, and every stupid face I've ever made during sex. I've accepted the dominance of the NSA.
When you were on NPR and the interviewer started getting rude about your comments on gluten (hilarious btw), I thought you handled her comments nicely. Were you taken aback by the way she was talking to you? It felt very unprofessional. We talk about gluten a lot in the movie, and talk a lot of shit on it, but we don't know what gluten really is. We don't believe in research. Just gut instincts.
Is it weird to you that two Jewish dudes wrote the most Christian film of the year? I think that's why we wrote it. We grew up surrounded by people who were taught that we were probably going to hell. I think this is our way of dealing with our fates.
Which would you rather swallow whole: one hotdog, or two meatballs? Well, I know from personal experience I can easily swallow both one hotdog and two meatballs.
You guys write some wonderful dudebro comic moments. Who are some women making you laugh that you love working with? Sarah Silverman is hysterical. Anna Faris is hysterical. Liz Banks is hysterical. I just worked with Jenny Slate and she kind of blew my mind as well. Rose Byrne is hysterical as well.
LOVE THE NEW MOVIE! How was the process of making "This is the end?" I heard there were some ups and downs. It was incredibly fun. The studio was skeptical that it would be a good idea for us to play ourselves, but we lied to them and told them we would shoot a version where we could edit around that if people didn't like it. We did not do that. We just made the movie we wanted to make and had a blast doing it. Our friends were all there, and they were mocking each other. What more could you want.
Do you vape? Sure, we do vape. It's the mature thing to do.
How long did it take James Franco to paint all that shit in his house? He painted it crazy fast. I think he painted like 20 giant paintings in about 48 hours. He was with a artist named Josh Smith who helped him. Also a cool artist.
My wife finds you mildly attractive. What should I do about that? We both have wives, and they would cut off our wangs if we ever cheated, so no worries!
What prompted you to use all of the actors actual names in the movie? We always wanted to do a movie where people played themselves and something extraordinary happened; the initial version of this movie was Seth Rogen and Busta Rhymes were filming a music video and a movie respectively, on the Sony lot, and Antmen attacked from the center of the earth.
We had a separate idea with Jason Stone about this short video about the apocalypse. We thought that we should combine these ideas, so we thought we'd do a film with Seth and all of our friends instead of Busta Rhymes. No disrespect to Busta Rhymes. Flipmode Squad is cool as hell in our books.
I saw the movie on Wednesday and I laughed the whole time, thank you. Favorite deli in LA? I don't have a favorite deli in LA. Seth and I used to live behind Canter's so we used to go there a lot, but we hear Langer's is really good so we'd like to go to Langers. I hold everything up to the gold standard which is Schwartz's in Montreal - so far, no other deli has beaten Schwartz's.
How can I get fake Hollywood weed? That is a very good question! I would call my props master, he could give us the answer. I'm assuming you'd go to the fake weed store.
Seth: Any plans to show up on The Mindy Project during season two? Unfortunately, my character is being held captive in Iraq. It's pretty heavy stuff.
Are you guys Canuck fans? Who's winning the Stanley Cup? The Canucks are out of the Stanley Cup. I'm a fairweather Canucks fan, IF they win the Stanley Cup at best.
If you could be one creature, fantastical or real, what would you be? If you answer I'll do a portrait and post it :D. We would both want to be minotaurs.
Evan, Can you describe your writing process? Thanks. When we write, I always try to write together- I like to write with another person because I like to have someone to bounce things off of and fix my mistakes. I try to share things as often as possible with as many people as I can: I have a lot of smart friends and I try to take advantage of that. Share with your friends.
Fellow Vancouverite here. How often did you guys used to get high and go to Duffins Donuts? We were more of a Mac's Milk fans rather than donuts.
Spunk-a-riffic! Our movie has more jerk-off or cum jokes than any movie ever made, and it's a title we hold proudly.
How has being famous changed your outlook on life and hollywood in general. I'm not famous (Evan here) and I'm going to speak for Seth and say that it's ruined his outlook on life and everything is empty for him now.
Please tell me Pineapple Express 2 wasn't just a joke. That film NEEDS to be made! We talk about it all the time. The story we have in This is the End is the actual story we talk about doing. We have some original (we hope) ideas that we want to do before doing sequels, and comedy sequels seem to be the hardest, but it's definitely something that we keep coming back to. And the enthusiasm for it is hard to ignore.
Can I pitch my screenplay to you guys on here. Yea, sure, go for it!
Come to New Zealand to make a movie, fuckers! You can stay at my house. We'll go pig stalking. We're going to be in Australia in 2 days for THIS IS THE END press - if you hop over the ocean, you could see us there!
I can't think of any questions, but you guys rock. I have nothing to say because I don't know what you look like or what you do, but you also rock!
No question, just a huge thank you for making high-class stoner films and expanding the genre so drastically. Pineapple Express blew my mind. That's why it's especially important for stoners to become politicians, lawyers, and doctors.
Shoutout to /trees.
This isn't a question, but you should be in the expendables 3. I would love to, but I hear that they would want to Josh Gad instead.
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